Click Orlando– Jury selection in the George Zimmerman murder trial resumed Monday after a hiatus over the weekend, with only four of the eight questioned surviving the media-related questioning.
The jury pool needed for general voir dire questioning is up to 32, eight short of the 40 required. The four from Monday that qualified were asked to return Wednesday at 9 a.m. Nelson then told 12 jurors who haven’t been questioned yet to come back on Tuesday and six more jurors to come back on Wednesday.
Among the potential jurors eliminated was the man who said he donated $20 to the defense fund because he felt sorry for Zimmerman.
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Jeff Weiner of the Orlando Sentinel
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-jury-pool-20130618,0,6341800.story
B-12: A middle-aged white woman who works the graveyard shift. She likes the crime-forensics show CSI and said she’d heard Zimmerman was following Trayvon.
B-29: A Hispanic nurse on an Alzheimer’s ward who has seven children and lived in Chicago at time of shooting.
SG2’s notes: Discussed the case with co-workers in Chicago. The co-workers took the side of the child.
B-76: A white middle-aged woman who said Zimmerman had an “altercation with the young man. There was a struggle and the gun went off.”
SG2’s notes: Ask why kid was out at night buying candy?
B-7: A middle-aged white man who listens to NPR. He remembered when Florida implemented its “stand your ground” law and the debate about whether it was needed.
SG2’s notes:Says his dad follows the case. Dad believes Zimmerman acted inappropriately. Has has served on a jury before. Told coworkers debating case: “This is ridiculous, let’s let the jury decide.”
B-35: A middle-aged black man who owns a vending business. He was critical of the Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and says this case is not racial.
SG2’s notes: Watches Fox News Sean Hannity.
B-37: A middle-aged white woman who works for a chiropractor and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford as “rioting.”
SG2’s notes: Feels the shooting was an unfortunate accident. She says there was rioting but organized.
B-51: A retired white woman from Oviedo who has a dog and 20-year-old cat. She knew a good deal about the case, but said “I’m not rigid in my thinking.”
SG2 notes:She reads Orlando Sentinel.She has experience in decision making and open minded. West tried to frighten her about safety.
B-86: A middle-aged white woman who works at a middle school. She said if Trayvon had not been “expelled” from school in Dade County — he was actually suspended — “this could have been prevented.”
SG2 notes:Says Trayvon was expelled from school and it wouldn’t have happened if he had not been in Sanford. Blames parents. Says she saw photos of Zimmerman with a bleeding head and he had a broken nose. Her sons made fun of the skittles. She has 2 sons 20 & 21.
E-6: A young white woman and mother who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night.
SG2 notes: white female, heard a bit about Trayvon Martin, made it a cautionary teaching moment for her kids, ages 11 and 13.
E-40: A white woman in her 60s who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting. She heard national news reports and recalls the shooting was in a gated community and a teenager was killed.
SG2 notes:She lived in Iowa at the time and heard about the killing on NBC.
E-54: A middle-aged white man with a teenage stepson who wears hoodies. He recalled seeing photos of Zimmerman’s head and face that show injuries.
SG2 notes: Didn’t understand why Sanford police did not charge George Zimmerman. Thought about joining the protest because Zimmerman hadn’t been arrested.
E-73: A middle-aged white woman active in Sanford’s arts community, who is raising her late brother’s 15- and 18-year-old children. The media interjected race in this case, she said.
SG2 notes:Juror E 73 doesn’t like negative publicity surrounding the case. Says “I can’t conceive being armed. I can’t conceive of shooting someone.” Says something had to have happened.”
M-75: A young African-American woman who says many of her friends have opinions on the case, but she doesn’t.
SG2 notes:A Fox News watcher. She thinks Zimmerman must have had a reason to shoot the kid or he would not have shot him. She thought the reaction of the black community and protests was a bit ridiculous. Thinks Trayvon may have been targeted because it was after dark and he appeared to have been “shady.”
B-61: A young white woman who remembered that “after the protesters, it seemed to turn more into a racial issue…I don’t think it’s a racial issue.”
SG2 notes:Says that she’s aware George Zimmerman was raising money. She thought it was unique. She had never seen it before. She didn’t think it was a racial issue, we have laws for that. A Fox watcher. She thought Reverend Al was out of line for coming here to lead a protest. Thinks Rev Al doesn’t know what happened. She’s relying on testimony in court. She remembers something about “marijuana”.
B-72: A young man who does maintenance at a school and competes in arm wrestling tournaments. He said he avoids the news because he does not want to be “brainwashed.”
SG2 notes:Juror B72 wants to know what the evidence is before making up his mind. Says he talked to a friend who was passionate about the case and friend said George Zimmerman shot the poor kid. Some of my friends think, “yeah, he definitely did it.” One friend thought George Zimmerman’s just “guarding his turf.”
E-22: A middle-aged African-American woman who said that after the shooting Sanford police should have booked Zimmerman and asked him more questions.
SG2 notes:Reads the Orlando Sentinel.She believes commentary in the media is their opinion but do think police should have investigated more. O’Mara was baiting but she wouldn’t bite.
E-13: A young white woman who goes to college and works two jobs. She heard the shooting was a “racial thing.”
SG2 notes:Still lives at home with parents. Says she could be fair to both sides because I don’t really know that much. She heard it was a “racial thing,” based on things Trayvon Martin’s family said. “Lot of people think that”.
E-28: A middle-aged white woman who works as a nurse. She knew little about the case and has no opinion about Zimmerman’s guilt.
SG2 notes:She works in the OR. Has two daughters 23 & 27. No discussion of the case at church, or any social orgs. Doesn’t know of court rulings.
K-80: A middle-aged white woman with children who has not followed the case. She considers the “racial undertones” in the case “disturbing.”
SG2 notes: White female, young children, watches local 6 news and subscribes to the Orlando Sentinel.She feels the case has racial overtones and it’s disturbing.She was disturbed by the protests but thinks protests is everyone’s right as long as it’s not violent.
K-95: A middle-aged woman who’s a full-time student and “IT geek” with two children. She was critical of protests calling for Zimmerman’s arrest.
SG2 notes: a white woman, was a part of the home owners association.Says media gave different stories.Says kids have been killed in other places and didn’t see demonstrations there. Thinks people came to start trouble b/c Sanford is a small town.
P-67: A native of Mexico who seemed eager to serve on the jury, describing it as a civic duty. “Some people think it is a racist thing,” he said of the shooting.
SG2 notes: He’d like to serve on jury. This is his first time serving on a jury and would like to see all the evidence before he makes a decision. He was born in Mexico. Received citizenship in Chicago.He wants an opportunity to serve his adopted country.
G-14: A middle-aged white woman. “I remember a lot of anger, a lot of people upset that Mr. Zimmerman was not arrested immediately.”
SG2 notes: A middle-aged white woman. Exposed to the case through tv. Says protesters were creating a discussion that was not a discussion that necessarily needed to be had.
G-29: A young black woman who has lived in Seminole County eight months. “There is a lot of racial tension built up,” she said, but she “stayed away from it.”
SG2 notes: a young black female.Saw friends on facebook posting their opinions about the case. The opinions of friends were favorable to Trayvon Martin. Got her information from Phillips Phile on talk radio.
G-47: A young white man who works as assistant manager at restaurant. Zimmerman appears to be “stuck in the worst situation” possible, he said.
SG2 notes: Juror G47 white male, works 50 hours/week in restaurant, heard talk it is a self-defense case, cares for sick parents. Believes the people had a right to protests as an American citizen. Wants to look at both sides of a issue. West was ticked b/c he G47 wouldn’t bite!
G-63: A young, unemployed man who described himself as “mixed race.” He knew few details about the case but denounced stereotyping and said people sometimes interject race into cases.
SG2 notes: G-63: Stated “to me I think there is no need to be a protester when there is nothing worth protesting about”. Says same folks always complaining about something. Thinks protesting doesn’t make sense. Stated the Boston marathon bombing has no impact in on his life.
G-66: A retired white woman who cares for her toddler grandson and moved to Central Florida in 2011. When she saw photos of Zimmerman’s injuries, “I felt sorry for him.”
SG2 notes: Juror G66 is originally from Chicago. Watches news. Saw photos of Zimmerman with head injuries, Trayvon Martin with hoodie on. Felt sorry for George Zimmerman. Saw a bloody photo of the back of the Zimmerman’s head. Knows Trayvon was from Miami, saw photos on Trayvon’s phone, believes mother was having trouble with him. Saw Zimmerman go to the scene and to do the reenactment of what happened.
G-81: A tall black man who lives less than a half mile from the scene of the shooting. There is a racial divide in Sanford, he said, but the media has misportrayed the city.
SG2 notes: Feels it a right to protest for injustice. We have had a history in this country of people protesting injustice. Stated it was sadness that someone lost their life. Took family to the park right across the street from where the shooting took place. They were concerned b/c a teenager lost his life. Stated death of AA males losing their lives through violence since slavery at an alarming rate.
H-6: A young white man who heard the phone call Zimmerman made to police before the shooting. “He sounded like he was concerned for his neighborhood.”
SG2 notes: white male, 30s, TV viewer, no newspaper, does not know if it is “self-defense.” He heard Zimmerman had pictures of injuries. He never saw pictures for himself and doesn’t know if it self defense.
H-7: A red-haired man about age 50 in a business suit who recalled “a big brouhaha in Sanford,” described protesters as “a nuisance” and said, “I still don’t know why it became a high profile case.”
SG2 notes: Juror H7 is 50-something white male. Heard about the case on local news and national news. Watches CBS. Stated outsiders came in and protested demanding an arrest. Thought local government could take care of it. He heard the parents sent Trayvon to Sanford. Doesn’t understand why it’s a high profile case.
H-18: A handsome, muscled, dark-skinned man in his 20s with an accent who’s a mechanic, owns his shop with a partner and moved here from Kuwait. He said he avoids discussing certain topics. “When it’s politics, religion or race, I just don’t get involved.”
SG2 notes: Stated serving on jury will impact him in a big way. Serving on jury would be a hardship. Moved here from Kuwait. He’s going through a divorce.
H-29: A white-haired man who described national civil rights leaders who led protests in Sanford “a little circus come to town.” It was “negative for the city,” he said. “That honestly turned me off.”
SG2 notes: Juror H 29 heard about the case through local media that there had been a shooting in the Sanford area. A sad event. Remembers photos of Zimmerman b/c they were splashed everywhere. Saw photos of Trayvon Martin from young to older. Stated “We had a little circus come to town”. Feels it’s negative on the city. Blames it on the media and the Rev. Feels the people that came to Sanford didn’t judge the case on it’s merits.
H-35: A young woman who said she knows little about the case. She “liked” a photo of Trayvon on Facebook. Needs to move by the end of June, which she said would be a hardship.
SG2 notes: She was not interested in the case and did not pay attention to it, she heard about it but hasn’t form an opinion. Moving to Bithlo, in Orange County, at end of month, packing up now. Serving would be a hardship.
H-81: He described the shooting as an “incident” between Zimmerman and Trayvon, and “Mr. Martin ended up dead.” H-81 called the shooting a “very tragic situation.” He has two pending civil cases before Nelson.
SG2 notes: Juror H 81: “I don’t have facts to make judgment … Not trying to apply for this job” as juror. Recalls commentary about the 911 recordings but did not listen to them. Source of news: CNN and MSNBC. Recalls two emotional families driving this case. Stated he tends to believe what O’Mara says at news conferences.
H-69: A five-months-pregnant woman who said she saw news about the case on television at work. She mentioned several times that she recalled seeing pictures of Trayvon as “a young child” in the media.
SG2 notes: Juror H 69 is being very evasive. Says the media portrayed Trayvon as a child and she saw a recent photo and found out he’s wasn’t a child but can’t remember which photo. Stated people lose their lives all the time. Juror H 69 is 5 and 1/2 months pregnant. Saw picture of Trayvon Martin posing & not the young boy the media portrayed him.
H-86: A young white woman, who said she knows almost nothing about the case. H-86 says she keeps up with current events, but “certain cases and things I don’t follow.”
SG2 notes: She watches Fox. doesn’t think media is truthful.
I-5: A middle-aged African American man, he said he heard self-defense was involved with the case, at one point referring to Zimmerman as “the gentleman that was defending himself.”
SG2 notes: Stated black leaders came to Sanford to give support but doesn’t think it was necessary. He understands what they were trying to do but feels like you have to let the law work. He wasn’t opposed to black leaders expressing themselves but felt it wasn’t necessary because it stirs up feelings. He remembers the civil rights era and remember the marches and the emotions associated with it.
I-19: A young white woman identified as I-19, who said she hasn’t followed the case and knows only the basic details: “I don’t watch the news, I don’t read the news,” she said.
SG2 notes: I-19, young white female. Knows bare minimum from mother, who watches news. She does not watch news. Sad that Trayvon Martin died. Serving on jury would be hardship. I 19′s boss thinks the case if very interesting and always talks about the case.
I-24: An older white woman who said she followed the case at first, but then “I just kinda tuned out.” Describe the case as “a young man lost his life and another man is fighting for his life.”
SG2 notes: The media came out with the young man was innocent and now they’re coming out with things that happened with him in school. No child is perfect! A young man lost his life and another man is fighting for his life. There are no winners. Stated: she told co-workers that didn’t know all the facts. She did not form an opinion. Stated media makes up stories. Media reported no injuries but later saw bruises on the back of his head and nose.
I-33: Older white man, who said “the more I heard, the less I wanted to hear.” Heard there was a 911 call involved in the case, and “some controversy as to who was doing the screaming” heard in it.
SG2 notes: white male, late 50s early 60s maybe, grey goatee, newspaper reader. “I did feel compassion for both entities.” Subscribes to the Orlando Sentinel. Saw a photo of TM in a hooded sweatshirt. Got injured in a car accident. Heard the recording of the screams. Watches Fox News. He discussed the reaction in the community. Says reaction went both ways… heavy talk in both directions.
I-44: A father of three who said he’s highly skeptical of the media and its “negativity.” He called himself a “sports nut.”
SG2 notes: Doesn’t accept credibility unless it’s in the courtroom. Felt over-exposure about the case form the media. Has no problem with the protests. He is a father of 3. Believes the media feeds negativity and tries to protect family from it.
Thanks for this recap on the PJs, SG2.
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN PURSUED, STALKED, SHOT, AND MURDERED TRAYVON. LET’S NEVER, EVER, EVER FORGET THIS FACT.
George Zimmerman Jury Selection – Day 7
Court is in recess until 9am
The list of 40 potential jurors
1. B-12
2. B-29
3. B-76
4. B-7
5. B-35
6. B-37
7. B-51
8. B-86
9. E-6
10. E-40
11. E–54
12. E-73
13. M-75
14. B-61
15. B-72
16. E-22
17. E13
18. E-28
19. K-80
20.K-95
21. P-67
22. G-14
23. G-29
24. G-47
25.. G-63
26. G-66
27. G-81
28. H-6
29. H-7
30. H-18
31. H-29
32. H-35
33. H-81
34. H-69
35. H-86
36. I-5
37. I-19
38. I-24
39. I-33
40. I-44
Thank you; now we can go back and determine the mix here and where their intentions lie.
40 potential jurors have now made it to the next round of group questioning.
SG2, do you have any general feelings about this group? Twenty five percent of this group will become jurors or alternates.
Hi, Liza!
I feel a jury is there. We don’t need but six and four will become alternates. The prosecution has 10 strikes to weed out the bigots that are hiding.
Thanks, SG2, I am so relieved to hear you say that.
SG2; did you go back and review the PJ’s by number and letter and any comments they made in the past week and a half to determine your sense of where the jury stands thus far?
The list above is Jeff Weiner’s list. But I will go back to my notes and review what was said by each potential juror.
Judge Nelson is letting the other PJs fly da coop!
Both the defense and the prosecution have agreed to the first 40 PJs
GZ is one crazy-eyed looking MOFO.
Voire dire examination they have 40 PJs now
Juror I 44 is up
A white male, maybe in 30’s.
Doesn’t accept credibility unless it’s in the courtroom.
Felt over-exposure about the case form the media.
Yes; and O’Mara helped with the over-exposure with distortions and lies.
Trayvon Martin had skittles and the skittles company wanted to capitalize on it.
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Has no problem with the protests. He is a father of 3. Believes the media feeds negativity and tries to protect family from it.
I know you’re catching all 40 of the voire dires SG2, can you list them here? Thanks!
Juror I 33 is up
Tony Pipitone: I-33, white male, late 50s early 60s maybe, grey goatee, newspaper reader. “I did feel compassion for both entities.”
Subscribes to the Orlando Sentinel. Saw a photo of TM in a hooded sweatshirt.
Got injured in a car accident.
Heard the recording of the screams.
Juror I 33 watches Fox News. He discussed the reaction in the community. Says reaction went both ways… heavy talk in both directions.
court is back in session…
Court is in recess for 15 minutes
Juror I 24 is up
Watches local fox news. mid-aged, white female
Knows a young man was shot and killed by a man who patrols the sub division.
Juror 1 24 said media reported no injuries but later saw bruises on the back of his head and nose.
Juror 1 24 says media makes up stories.
No shit Sherlock!
Co- workers said Zimmerman had to be guilty.
Juror 1 24 says she told co-workers that didn’t know all the facts. She did not form an opinion.
The media came out with the young man was innocent and now they’re coming out with things that happened with him in school. No child is perfect!
A young man lost his life and another man is fighting for his life. There are no winners.
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Pro Zimmerman spin with another man is fighting for his life. Plain as the nose on your face.
I agree. One generally does not refer to defendants in murder 2 cases as “fighting for their lives.” I think it indicates empathy for the assailant.
Juror I 19 is up
Tony Pipitone: I-19, young white female, nervous, hair in bun. Knows bare minimum from mother, who watches news (she does not).
Juror I 19’s boss thinks the case if very interesting and always talks about the case.
Sad that Trayvon Martin died.
Serving on jury would be hardship.
Juror I 14 is up
A young white male.
Heard about the case in school and that Trayvon Martin didn’t have anything dangerous on him.
The media fucked up the details of this murder BIG time.
Friends said Trayvon Martin was innocent and Zimmerman didn’t have a right to pursue him.
He heard from the media that Zimmerman’s nose was broken. Some friends thought Trayvon attacked Zimmerman prior to Zimmerman shooting him.
Juror I 14 talked with mother about the case after it happened and the mother said Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin and that he was unarmed.
Saw photos of Trayvon and the photo seemed younger than he actually was. Found out Trayvon was 17.
Again; who cares about how young Trayvon appearsin a mofo photo. HE’S DEAD!!!
Juror I 14 remember hearing Zimmerman’s NEN about a suspect and remembers he was told not to follow.
Court is in session.
In my best southern drawl…SG2 is “fixin” to take y’all to church with Dr. King’s quote “The Right to Protest for Right”. Let the church say Amen!
AMEN! And that’s why they’re MAD.
they’re mad because we stood up and said, hell not, some random mofo can’t just stalk, hunt and murder our babies because they feel like it.
wrong fucking century.
HELLO!
Court is in recess until 1:10pm
Black leaders came in and FORCED the SFD to man up and do their fucking jobs. IT WAS NECESSARY to roll up in Sanford. The community needed to be all “roused” up.
Now, now, Ametia, you know that all of those darkies and Yankees are nothing but troublemakers.
You see the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the blame for all of this ‘unpleasantness’. If they had just stayed away and allowed the good ole boys to cover up Trayvon’s murder we wouldn’t have all of this commotion. (sarcasm/off)
roderick2012, they can’t HANDLE ALL.OF.THIS
Juror I 5 is up..
Watches cable news, CNN, & HLN. Middle aged black man.
Juror I 5 feels at the time he watched HLN they were outta control. Feels HLN glorify the crimes they cover. He feels the media is prosecuting the case before the accused goes to trial.
Watch the voice recording on CNN & no one hadn’t determined whose voice it was.
Juror I 5 only discussed the case with his wife. Doesn’t do facebook.
Says black leaders came to Sanford to give support but doesn’t think it was necessary. He understands what they were trying to do but feels like you have to let the law work.
Dude, the law didn’t work. That’s why there were protests.
He wasn’t opposed to black leaders expressing themselves but felt it wasn’t necessary because it stirs up feelings.
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My question is when is it “appropriate” to march? Did he think the marches during the Civil Rights era was “appropriate”? The law wasn’t working so what were the people to do?
In the words of Dr King…. folks have a right to protest for right!
Feels when there are marches the people feel they’ve been wronged and it’s always emotionally charged.
He remembers the civil rights era and remember the marches and the emotions associated with it.
Court is back in session..
This mofo GZ murdered Trayvon. Nobody gives a fuck about him being stressed or traumatized. I feel for Trayvon’s family.
“Nobody gives a fuck about him being stressed or traumatized.”
No truer words have been spoken.
I need to remember not to read this blog at work because I would have choked on my pizza( or spit it onto my keyboard and monitor) if I had not eaten it before I read this comment.
*drinks lots of water*
And Chris Tucker weighs in too:
Just in case we got some Gaga fans in da house:
ROTFLMBAO!!
Let me get to this meeting. *sigh*
*hollering*
Zimmerman’s “inconsistencies” are caused by his not telling the truth about what happened. He didn’t tell the truth to the Sanford cops because the truth would have gotten him arrested. The problem Zimmerman has is that he started developing his fictitious narrative when he was under stress, so it didn’t have the detail of a fully developed narrative. Also, when he was at the police station there was no way he could make up a story to match the evidence without knowing what would eventually be discovered. So, as time goes on and he’s being questioned about the details, he has to keep making them up and his fictitious narrative becomes full of inconsistencies not supported by evidence.
Happens all the time when folks lie. What is it they say? Always tell the truth, it’s the easiest thing to remember.
Tell it Liza. Like he’s the one supposedly screaming for help on the audio, when that bitch ass punk was holding a loaded gun on an innocent boy
he stalked, hunted and murdered an innocent child that was minding his own damn business and just went to the store.
Court is in recess for 15 minutes.
Juror H-86 is up
A white female in mid- late-20s. She watches Fox.
FOX?
Yep! Another Fox watcher.
Juror H 86 doesn’t think media is truthful
Well; DUH, H-86!
Juror H 69 is up
Saw picture of Trayvon Martin posing & not the young boy the media portrayed him.
Trayvon’s dead and so are the photos that his family will never get to take of him ever again. Who is alive? George Zimmerman, the punk ass bitch that murdered him.
GTFOH with photos nonsense. He was a human being, a son and a brother who belonged to his family. These white folks are some crazy ass mofos.
source of news is Wall St Journal
Juror H 69 is 5 and 1/2 months pregnant
WSJ is another hack news source, full of right wing conservative babble. *cuePEGGYNOONAN*
Juror H 69 says people lose their lives all the time.
Translation: Why are people making a big deal out of this case? People get killed everyday.
Yes; George killed an unarmed teenage black boy and the SPD let him go home. This kind of killing happens every day? This bitch needs to take a long hike.
Says everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Juror H 69 is not slick. Get her out of here with a quickness.
Tunning in for a bit here. What’s going on?
Juror H 69 is being very evasive. Says the media portrayed Trayvon as a child and she saw a recent photo and found out he’s wasn’t a child but can’t remember which photo.
Trayvon Martin was 17 years old. HE WAS A TEEN & HE IS DEAD
Who the fuck cares about photos?
Juror H81 is up
Juror H 81: “I don’t have facts to make judgment … Not trying to apply for this job” as juror
Recalls commentary about the 911 recordings but did not listen to them
Recalls two emotional families driving this case.
Source of news: CNN and MSNBC.
Says he tends to believe what O’Mara says at news conferences
Judge Nelson asks H81 if her overseeing his civil cases and George Zimmerman case will effect his ability to serve as juror. He says no.
I really appreciate the pictures of Trayvon. The MSM in their complicitness in trying to smear this child…the truth is evident through the pictures of the beauty of his soul.
Me too. These photos are now a true family treasure.
Good MOrning, Everyone.
Saying a prayer for Trayvon’s family to keep them strong as they are surrounded by vileness and hatred.
JUSTICE4TRAYVON.
HOODIE’S UP!
Good morning, everyone!
I love the photos of Trayvon with his family. These are the photos to cherish, because his family won’t have him around to take more photos of his graduation, his wedding day, him as a father.
We know exactly what kinds of photos the CaCs wanted to see. the usual stereotypical “thuggish, criminal-like ones with gold teeth and fake pot plants. WE.SEE.THEM. Trying to dehumanize this boy. He was Sabrina & Tracy’s son. He had a family. He deserved to LIVE.