What do all these white men who shoot blacks have in common? They KILL them so they cannot speak for themselves
I don’t know about you folks, but this whole shitstorm feels eerily like the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin murder trial. Look at this mofo. No handcuffs and they’re propping this thug up like he’s Adonis.
You Didn’t Know? Renisha McBride is Responsible for Her Own Murder Because She Happened to be “Drunk” While Knocking on Theodore Wafer’s Door for Help
Renisha McBride’s killer now has a name. Theodore Wafer has been charged with murder for shooting Renisha McBride in the face with a shotgun. This is long overdue. As I wrote here, black folks do not have the luxury of being strangers in America who seek help in a time of crisis.
Ted Wafer to 911: “I just shot somebody on my front porch with a shotgun, banging on my door.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlflGetrET8
Jus pure unadulterated INSANITY. the call sounds confusing. I just shot someone on my front porch with a shotgun banging on my door. Sounds like Renisha was standing on the front porch with the shotgun, instead of him actually having the shotgun and blowing her face off.
“I just shot somebody on my front porch with a shotgun, banging on my door.”
His statement implies that the shooting happened right before he called, but he waited 65 minutes to call. I’d like to know what transpired between the time he shot and killed the young woman and the time he finally called the cops. I suspect he lives alone, but I’ve never heard one way or the other. I checked the recorded documents for Wayne County and his name is the only name recorded on his property.
Renisha McBride Shooting: Homeowner’s Legal Case Could Hinge On One Word
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/16/renisha-mcbride-legal-case_n_4289417.html
DETROIT (AP) — The way Renisha Marie McBride’s young life ended Nov. 2 is not in dispute: A homeowner in suburban Detroit fatally shot the 19-year-old in the face as she stood on his porch before the sun came up.
Almost every other aspect of the case is not as clear-cut.
Did race play a role in the shooting? What exactly happened on that doorstep? Did the homeowner reasonably believe he was acting in self-defense?
Police and prosecutors say Theodore Paul Wafer fired once with a 12-gauge shotgun through his screen door at McBride.
The 54-year-old airport maintenance employee, who faces murder and manslaughter charges, is free on bail awaiting a Dec. 18 hearing that will determine if the case should go to trial.
Ron Bretz, a Cooley Law School professor and former criminal defense attorney, says the case may boil down to a single word.
“It’s got to be reasonable,” he said. “The question is: What would a reasonable person do in these circumstances?”
That may be the key question in determining Wafer’s guilt or innocence, but much else is left unknown about a case that features legal and societal implications.
SELF-DEFENSE
Under a 2006 Michigan self-defense law, a homeowner has the right to use force during a break-in. Otherwise, a person must show that his or her life was in danger.
Defense lawyers are expected to argue that Wafer feared for his life when a drunken McBride — toxicology reports put her blood-alcohol content at well above the legal limit for driving — came to his door in the middle of the night hours after crashing her car blocks away in Detroit. Those factors contribute to Wafer’s “very strong defense,” said his lawyer, Mack Carpenter.
Prosecutors and McBride’s family, meanwhile, see no justification for the slaying of the recent high school graduate. She was unarmed, they note. Plus, the screen door Wafer fired through was locked.
“Where’s his reasonable belief that his life was in jeopardy or that he was in jeopardy of great bodily harm?” said lawyer Gerald Thurswell, who represents McBride’s family.
It all comes down to what a jury thinks, Bretz said.
“You’ve got a gun. There’s an unarmed young woman on your front porch,” he said. “Is it reasonable to think that she’s a threat to you? That’s going to be a toughie.
“Is it fair to feel scared when a stranger is pounding on your door at 4 or 5 in the morning? Hell, yeah. … Don’t answer the door,” Bretz said.
@SG2. Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow someone he was afraid of. Wafer opened his door to someone he was afraid of. At least Wafer hadn’t been in a fight that weekend where he could blame the boo-boo’s on Renisha.
Probable cause hearing on Dec 18th. Lets see what happens.
Probable cause hearings are customary procedure. Unless Wafer’s attorneys can prove he didn’t shoot Renisha, the judge is unlikely to dismiss the charges.
Remember, O’Mara treated Zimmerman’s second bond hearing as a probable cause hearing. But as we experienced, moving the case along to trial doesn’t mean there will be an impartial jury. I’m hoping that the citizens of Michigan are not ignorant and able to be impressed by White Supremacists’ theories and ideology.
For example SYG LAW.
Ametia, know what? Legislators supporting SYG might as well come out and say what it is — a law that allows people to kill others based on fear, and fear based on whatever it is they perceive as fear, and their perception based on biases.
Exactly, Xena. The difference is this ugly racist law applies to white fears.
Ametia, of course, because those who spend money on weapons do so to kill so that the victim cannot speak and tell their side of things. I remember a potential juror during voir dire in Zimmerman’s trial say something along those same lines.
I think the key issue is that the guy was safe. He was in a house, behind a door, pointing a loaded gun at the young woman. The woman was in front of him, on the porch. His life was not in danger and he could have called the cops.
Two possibilities: The man is seriously mentally ill or he killed the girl because he wanted to. No third option. Hasn’t he already lied about the gun going off accidentally? That would mean the second option fits.
Liza, a prior ex-girlfriend (or maybe it was an ex-wfie) said that Wafer had a drinking problem. It was past-tense, so we don’t know if he still does.
Someone who is drunk and trying to sleep it off might take on a mindset that whomever disturbs his sleep deserves to be shot. For him to call 911, say he shot someone and hangup, speaks volumes. That will not work to his benefit.
@Liza Who KNOCKS on someone door and expects to get their head blown off?
How many folks have had a stranger knock on the front door in the middle of the night and somehow managed to avoid killing them? Over twenty years ago I was living alone in an apartment shortly after I got divorced. Some guy knocks on my door at around 3:00 AM. Sure, I was scared, it was the middle of the night and he didn’t want to leave. But I also knew that if I didn’t open the door he couldn’t get in. It was a solid door and there were no windows in the front. I never spoke to him, I just looked at him through the door’s peephole, called 911 and gave a description. He was gone before the cop arrived. I heard later it was someone’s boyfriend who had the wrong unit which was an easy mistake to make.
I didn’t have a gun. But even if I did what I can’t imagine doing is opening the door and shooting the guy in the face. That is a mighty big leap to go from “there is a stranger at my door, maybe I should call the cops” to “there is a stranger at my door, I need open the door and blow this person off the face of the earth.” If they find a jury in Detroit to agree with the latter, then this country is worse off than we thought, but I’m not saying it won’t happen.
Liza, this LOGIC is so BLATANT. It’s mind-numbing that these folks think we can’t see or know the OBVIOUS.
Liza,
We saw what the Zimmerman jury did. I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard the verdict. The strength left my body. And given the toxic climate in this country anything could happen but I pray these jurors will follow the evidence and do what is right.
How can anyone just open the door and shoot someone in the face? OMG! Talk about a mean so.b. I read he waited 65 minutes before calling 911. Guess he wanted to make sure she was dead.
“Where are the results of his TOXICOLOGY Report?”
That’s what I was screaming but hey Michigan is another Stand Your Ground state so….
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/renisha-mcbride-parents-refute-accused-murderer-self-defense-claim-article-1.1519122
DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. — The parents of a 19-year-old woman who was shot in the face on the porch of a suburban Detroit home say they find it hard to believe their daughter posed a threat to the man charged in her death.
Walter Ray Simmons and Monica McBride spoke publicly Friday after Theodore Wafer was charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of Renisha McBride on his Dearborn Heights porch.
“I can’t imagine what that man feared from her. I would like to know why,” Monica McBride said.
Police say Renisha McBride was shot a couple of hours after being involved in a nearby car accident on Nov. 2. Family members say the former high school cheerleader likely approached Wafer’s home for help. Wafer’s lawyer, Mack Carpenter, said the pre-dawn hour and McBride’s condition — a toxicology report found she had alcohol and marijuana in her system — contribute to his client’s “very strong defense.”
McBride’s parents are relieved to see the wheels of justice turning but can’t accept any claim to self-defense.
“I couldn’t accept no apology because my daughter don’t breathe no more,” said her father, Walter Ray Simmons. “I believe this man took my daughter’s life for no reason. We just want justice done.”
Wafer, 54, was arraigned Friday afternoon on the murder and manslaughter charges as well as a felony weapons charge. A probable cause hearing was set for Dec. 18.
My heart goes out to the McBride family. Such violence, hate, ignorance, biogotry, and evilness killed Renisha.
God damn it! I swear this asshole is getting the special treatment too! The fucking news guy “Jeff” has the fucking nerve to suggest that 2nd degree murder is a little HARSH!?!? WTF kinda shit is that??! The damn girl IS DEAD! PERIOD, FOR NO Reason except for this stupid bitch with his penis extention, that he just had to stick out and show someone! How do you actually have the right to kill someone with your ass safely inside your own home? Omg this mutherfucker at least has the sense to apear scared in court, but they sure didnt treat him like a murderer is supposed to be! He shot an unarmed teenager in the face- he had the balls to look her in the FACE when he killed her, I’d say that man is a serious danger to society if ive ever seen one! Why isnt he treated like it!
If it was a white teenager would they be talking about how harsh the charge is? Or would he be charged & shackled like the animal he is!?!
Shannon, that MOFO rolls up in court for a bond hearing without HANDCUFFS. If Wafert hd shot and killed a dog, he’d be behind bars right now. No scratch that, That honor is reserved for Michael Vick, for dogfighting. /SNARK
Everything you said, Shannon!
Thanks for bring us up-to-date, Ametia and for posting the bond hearing.
I am so tired and angry reading about one after another Black youth being targets of racists, profiling by police, and gun nuts!!
The prosecutor didn’t buy his “I was afraid for my life” bs. He pointed that gun at that poor girl’s face and fired. Jesus Christ!
Not the prosecutor didn’t buy the bs. We’ll see if she sticks to her guns. I’m skeptical after Zimmie’s case. Angela Corey and her team really fucked it up.
Angela Corey and them FUCKED IT UP. Now folks are gunning down innocent people seeking help and trying to claim SYG. It’s fucking madness!
NOT to be argumentative but I don’t see any Fogen similarity. There was no huge outcry for an arrest that I’m aware of. 250K is 150 K more than Fogen’s 1st bail amount.. I don’t see him propped up like an Adonis either. The Judge set it at 250 K, the defense argued it (I love the sound being killed at about 5:25) the Judge held his ground. If he has his significant other lie for him, I’d expect it to be revoked.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate this murderer as much as Fogen, Dunn……all of them, but at least he’s not claiming he was attacked. He’ll have to stick with the “I was groggy” defense. I see 15 years or so on this one.
Hi racer. Your points are well taken. We’ll see.
The major difference that I see is that Detroit isn’t in the Confederacy so that much is good. But 250K bail seems rather small and a homeowner in Dearborn Heights could probably get that posted.
Is it my imagination or does this clown resemble George Zimmerman, kind of an older version?
You’re spot on, Liza. I’m being honest here. I DON’T TRUST THE POLICE or the JUSTICE SYSTEM.
To set bond, the court considered prior arrests, that he’s employed, owns a home, etc. For the court, Wafer shows some stability, unlike Zimmerman who was/is unemployed, renting, and had prior charges reduced. Like racerrodig said, Wafer’s bond is higher than Zimmerman’s first bond.
Wafer did the right thing by immediately getting legal counsel, while Zimmerman had his dad and brother advocate for him in the media in effort to avoid charges.
Wafer will probably be found guilty of manslaughter.