Tuesday Open Thread | Robert Mueller’s sealed indictments

Posted on April 24, 2018 by SouthernGirl2

Finally. We were wondering when the mainstream conversation would finally get there. The topic, of course, is Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his sealed indictments. Politico addressed the topic yesterday, pointing out that Mueller can obtain sealed indictments against a number of Trump-Russia figures as a way of protecting himself. If Donald Trump tries to fire him, he can immediately unseal the indictments, and upend everything. Here’s the catch: the evidence suggests that Mueller began obtaining sealed indictments six months ago or more.

Back in October of last year, when Robert Mueller arrested Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, the most underreported detail was they were listed as “Indictment (B)” in the court filings. That meant there had to be an “Indictment (A)” as well, and that one or more other people were named in it. By definition, the person or people named in Indictment (A) had to have been bigger fish than Manafort or Gates, and had to have been at least tangentially connected to the crimes that Manafort and Gates were charged with. Indictment (A) never did surface, which means that it’s been under seal all this time.

At the time, Palmer Report made the argument as to why, logically speaking, Indictment (A) was probably against Donald Trump. Others have made the argument that it was more likely against Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump Jr, or some other big fish. Any or all of these names are possible; the point of a sealed indictment is that we have no way of confirming the names for sure.

In subsequent court filings, we haven’t been able to spot evidence of additional sealed indictments. But that may just mean that Robert Mueller got better at covering his tracks after the first one. In any case, the question is not whether Mueller is sitting on sealed indictments. The question is how many of those indictments he’s sitting on, and who all they’re against. If Donald Trump starts the complex firing process required to get Mueller fired, Mueller could have the indictments unsealed and the targets arrested before he’s fired. It’s his insurance policy. It has been all along.

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77 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread | Robert Mueller’s sealed indictments

  2. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    April 24, 2018 at 11:53 pm

    Federal judge: Trump administration must accept new DACA applications”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/2018/04/24/cfb41578-4816-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1c7be1d36913
    Excerpt:

    “Bates is the third judge to rule against Trump administration attempts to rescind DACA, which provides two-year, renewable work permits and deportation protections for about 690,000 “dreamers,” undocumented immigrants brought to this country as children.

    “In his decision, Bates said the decision to phase out the program starting in March ‘was arbitrary and capricious because the Department failed adequately to explain its conclusion that the program was unlawful.’

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  3. eliihass
    eliihass says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    So good to finally see Camille Cosby out of hiding ..

    .. Bless you lady! Sorry for the way you’ve been treated – even as gold-digging, adulterous hook-ups turned 3rd wives, are treated with kids gloves, protected, excused, absolved ..cast as ‘poor abused victims’..too ‘scared’ of their husband to leave.. And yet, nobody offered any of those excuses for 74 year old Camille Cosby..

    https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/bill-cosby-camille-cosby.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1236&h=820&crop=1

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  6. rikyrah
    rikyrah says:
    April 24, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    The good doctor didn’t take the hint and withdraw. So, now folks gotta spill on him.
    Tester on NPR:
    1. Hostile work environment
    2. DRUNK WHILE ON DUTY!

    Bye Dr. You played yourself. About to be asked to retire. Count on it.

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  7. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    April 24, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    “Local film maker sheds light on poorly kept African American cemeteries”
    http://wset.com/news/local/local-film-maker-sheds-light-on-poorly-kept-african-american-cemeteries

    There is a trailer for the upcoming documentary film within the article.

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  10. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    SMGDH

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  11. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJOFfAhtL5M

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    When LORD, WHEN?

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    • eliihass
      eliihass says:
      April 24, 2018 at 5:59 pm

      When Lord, when? indeed..

      A modern day Nero.. A cruel, narcissistic, perverse, hysterical, impulsive, infantile megalomaniac suffering delusions of grandeur..

      With plenty of opportunistic enablers tweaking and playing him for their own purposes..

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  12. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/988878280169226241

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  13. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    It’s what white supremacist slave patrols do. They’ve been doing it since they invaded Native land & committed genocide to steal it. Then they traveled to the African continent to kidnap & enslave black people b/c they wanted wealth but was too lazy to work themselves. Now what?!

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/988573477484613632

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  14. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    *****DEAD****

    SO TRUE

    Reply
  15. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    Jury verdict in Tex McIver murder trial………

    https://www.facebook.com/wsbtv/videos/10156751877550695/?hc_ref=ARThOghdKFUNiC7uaYJj70SD2bZ14kYxxIbb1s6xX5GT5JZTn0ef-lcJdUHgF_kg_ms

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  16. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/988514389174161409

    Reply
    • Liza
      Liza says:
      April 24, 2018 at 3:25 pm

      He’ll end up on Dateline being interviewed from prison.

      Reply
      • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
        Ametia says:
        April 24, 2018 at 3:34 pm

        BWA HA HA HA HA So true, Liza

        Reply
  17. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/988834967617785856

    Reply
    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 1:49 pm

      They were made for each other TWO BIRTHERS.

      ALWAYS REMEMBER

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      • eliihass
        eliihass says:
        April 24, 2018 at 6:13 pm

        Everyone is so quick to infantalize this calculating grown woman, in their effort to excuse, absolve, and ostensibly, normalize her…

        Ultimate gaslighting tactic..? The (un)witting co-opting the other day, of the historic president and husband of the endlessly dehumanized, and never protected or defended historic black FLOTUS …to fluff up, boost, elevate, cast as sympathetic, absolve, legitimize and normalize the very complicit lying Birther 3rd wife of the treasonous conman …

        Someone really ought to remind folks… If you don’t want the treasonous conman and his shenanigans legitimized and normalized, stop trying to legitimize and normalize his complicit 3rd wife..

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  18. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    I’m making my son in law a big pot of chicken noodle soup and some cornbread. And then I’ll take it over there. Daughter and kids will have soup when they get home this afternoon.

    Reply
    • yahtzeebutterfly says:
      April 24, 2018 at 1:47 pm

      Aw…you take such good care of your family, SG2. You can’t have better nutritional comfort food than cornbread and chicken noodle soup!

      Reply
      • SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
        SouthernGirl2 says:
        April 24, 2018 at 2:19 pm

        I love it anytime. My little folks are going to enjoy today.

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    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 1:48 pm

      Charity begins at home. You’re a good egg, SG2.

      Reply
      • SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
        SouthernGirl2 says:
        April 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm

        Awe…..Just love my kiddos. They’re all I have.

        Reply
  19. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 11:49 am

    https://twitter.com/ATLBlackStar/status/988549390972456960

    *********

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    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 12:15 pm

      ATTENTION WHORES

      Reply
  20. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 11:30 am

    I bought my sweet little Carson two outfits yesterday. Daughter says Carson was in his swing and was trying to raise himself up and she said to him…..stop that. Carson looked at her and started crying. Awl! 💔💔💔

    Reply
    • Liza
      Liza says:
      April 24, 2018 at 11:35 am

      He’s sensitive and it hurt his feelings.

      Reply
      • SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
        SouthernGirl2 says:
        April 24, 2018 at 11:50 am

        Yes, my baby’s feelings were hurt.

        Reply
  21. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 11:24 am

    This is NOT the Onion. fam.

    Reply
    • Liza
      Liza says:
      April 24, 2018 at 11:32 am

      So Mr. Macron, after getting that piece of dandruff removed by Trump, speaks of a pipe dream where he and Trump protect liberty, freedom, and peace.

      SMH. Yeah, The Onion has some serious competition.

      Reply
      • SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
        SouthernGirl2 says:
        April 24, 2018 at 11:50 am

        I can’t…..no!

        Reply
  22. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 11:12 am

    https://twitter.com/MontyBoa99/status/988623103487021062

    Reply
  23. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:58 am

    https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/988806987331850240

    Reply
  24. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:57 am

    https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/988804807870775296

    Reply
  25. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:43 am

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/988804020356702209

    Reply
  26. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:33 am

    @LIZA I just mentioned this a few days ago…..

    We pull our cars to the side of the road whenever there is a funeral procession taking place. If folks are outside working, they stop until funeral procession passes through.
    https://3chicspolitico.com/2018/04/21/saturday-open-thread-ag-jeff-sessions-told-white-house-he-might-leave-if-rosenstein-is-fired/

    https://twitter.com/abc13houston/status/988800993067438082

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    • Liza
      Liza says:
      April 24, 2018 at 11:28 am

      The picture of those young men taking a knee brings tears to my eyes.

      SG2, after you mentioned that about pulling over for funeral processions, I remembered that my dad used to do that. But I haven’t seen that in a long, long time.

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      • SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
        SouthernGirl2 says:
        April 24, 2018 at 11:53 am

        I pull my car over all the time whenever I meet a funeral procession. Respect!

        Reply
  27. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:29 am

    https://twitter.com/MichelleObama/status/988527765392711680

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  28. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 10:27 am

    https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/988549023278796800

    GET YOUR ASS TO JAIL……

    https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/988518384894701569

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  29. SouthernGirl2 – A Native Texan who adores baby kittens, loves horses, rodeos, pomegranates, & collect Eagles. Enjoys politics, games shows, & dancing to all types of music. Loves discussing and learning about different cultures. A Phi Theta Kappa lifetime member with a passion for Social & Civil Justice.
    SouthernGirl2 says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:58 am

    https://twitter.com/3ChicsPolitico/status/988793798590427137

    Reply
  30. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:25 am

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  31. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:25 am

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  32. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:24 am

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  33. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:23 am

    Rug head Rand ya’ll

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  34. Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
    Ametia says:
    April 24, 2018 at 9:14 am

    THREAD

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    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 1:50 pm

      RESULTS=When you hitch yourself to 45 & LIE for him

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    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 9:17 am

      SCRATCHES HEAD

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  42. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    April 24, 2018 at 7:16 am

    ” ‘Black Cowboys’ Sheds Light On Overlooked Music Of African-Americans Who Went West”
    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/04/23/black-cowboys-music-dom-flemons
    Excerpt:

    ” ‘Black Cowboys’ is the new album from multi-instrumentalist and songwriter Dom Flemons, a co-founding member of the Grammy Award-winning Carolina Chocolate Drops. But it’s more than a collection of songs from the Wild West — the record sheds light on the prominent but often-overlooked role African-American pioneers played in westward expansion.”

    (You can listen to some of the songs that are posted within the article.)

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  43. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    April 24, 2018 at 7:07 am

    Video: “Two women strive to document African-American history in Virginia Beach”
    https://youtu.be/Rbze9cY_As8&rel=0
    ” 13News Now -Published on Apr 23, 2018
    Two women decided to write a research paper on African-American history in Virginia Beach. 13News Now Robert Boyd has their inspirational story.”

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  44. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    April 24, 2018 at 7:04 am

    Good Morning, Rikyrah. Wishing you and everyone a super day!

    Reply
    • Ametia – EARTH – I am a Spiritual traveler, a devoted wife, mother, sister, lover of dream study, reading, theater, music, dance, and thought-provoking discussions on love, life, humor and service.
      Ametia says:
      April 24, 2018 at 7:48 am

      Good Morning Yahtzee & 3Chics Family.

      Reply
  45. rikyrah
    rikyrah says:
    April 24, 2018 at 5:26 am

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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