Tuesday Open Thread | The Fire At Notre Dame Cathedral 😢😢😢

I was 15 when my parents told me what my 16th Birthday Present was going to be:

A trip to Paris.
Paris…
My father, who had fought in Europe during WWII, would never talk about his war experiences, except for his time in France. He loved everything about the country, and wanted me to have the opportunity to go.
It would be my first time outside of the country. First time to get a passport. First time to be on my own (I was going with a school group). I was so excited.
America is a young country. When compared to the rest of the world, our hundred, two hundred year old relics are nothing compared to other countries.
You got that immediately when you arrived in Paris.

Somehow, it mixes the old and the new. The modern with the ancient. But, above all else, the history is respected.
As I watched the fire engulfing Notre Dame, I sat there, with the rest of the world, my heart breaking with every news report. Notre Dame wasn’t just a church. It was history.

Living, breathing history. It’s beauty was inescapable, whether coming upon it by foot, or by boatride down the Seine.
Walking in it, was to be awed. It was a church, but, it was so much more. It was massive. It was impressive. It was awe inspiring, and humbling. You could spend a whole day inside, just being respectful and taking in all of the history that it had offer. The architecture made your mouth fall open. The beauty of the stained glass….the place was made for pictures. The clicks were what you heard inside of the church. It was always full of tourists, yet, it wasn’t noisy.
The thing about Notre Dame wasn’t just that you were there…but, you knew that you would return, and bring others with you.
I had already been planning Peanut’s first time to Paris…and, of course, Notre Dame would be on the list. There are things that sustain us. That we believe will always be there. The continuity is something that calms the nerves. Soothes the soul.
I am not Catholic, but, felt completely welcome there…as I am sure that many others of different faiths have been as well. It was a house of worship, but, it was a cultural symbol of Paris. Of history that touched on religion, but not only religion.

 

Construction of the cathedral officially started in 1163, and wasn’t finished for almost 200 years. As I recall, it was a site of worship long before that — every time repairs have been done in the lower levels, prehistoric artifacts are unearthed. It’s a terrible loss, to France and the world, but the cathedral will be rebuilt again.

Why Notre Dame matters, in one Victor Hugo passage

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/4/15/18311758/notre-dame-fire-victor-hugo-hunchback

Translated from French by Microsoft
Good news: all the works of art were saved. The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments. #NOTRE_DAME

Notre Dame is one of the world’s great treasures, and we’re thinking of the people of France in your time of grief. It’s in our nature to mourn when we see history lost – but it’s also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow, as strong as we can. pic.twitter.com/SpMEvv1BzB— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) April 15, 2019

Another poster:

I think for many folks Notre Dame is also a symbol, in addition to being a building and a house of worship. One, for its place in French History and secondly as a living museum of classical Western Civilization (if there is such a thing) for the artistry of the building itself and those items that were stored (and now supposedly saved) within.

Hannah Groch-Begley @grouchybagels
I know this doesn’t help, but we have exquisite 3D laser maps of every detail of Notre Dame, thanks to the incredible work of @Vassar art historian Andrew Tallon. Prof Tallon passed away last November, but his work will be absolutely crucial

 https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1117911268331933698

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76 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread | The Fire At Notre Dame Cathedral 😢😢😢

  1. rikyrah says:

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  11. rikyrah says:

    some hopeful news about yesterday’s fire at Notre-Dame: there is photographic evidence from today’s post-fire assessment that shows that the Rose Windows are still in place!

    They will almost certainly need repairs and conservation work, but they’re there:

    https://www.curbed.com/2019/4/16/18400170/notre-dame-fire-cathedral-paris-france

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  12. rikyrah says:

    Wendy Williams’ estranged husband Kevin Hunter is FIRED from her show and has been given 48 hours to clear out from their marital home – while the $215K Ferrari he bought for his baby mama is towed away

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  13. rikyrah says:

    The Hill (@thehill) Tweeted:
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  15. rikyrah says:

    Was reading around and found this discussion about the fire.

    For people who want a small beam of light to poke through the clouds, it looks as though much of the interior of Notre Dame has survived the fire (with some smoke damage) thanks to the hard work and dedication of Paris’ fire crews. Pictures here:

    https://www.curbed.com/2019/4/15/18311697/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris

    ………..

    @different-church-lady: The ceiling of the main area is a stone vault separating the attic where all the burning timber was and all the stuff in the cathedral. I didn’t even consider it would be able to stand up when the roof collapsed but it did, except for one hole. As a result, there wasn’t much fire in the cathedral proper – only that one area under the hole and cathedral interiors are relatively resistant to spreading fire by virtue of all the exposed stone.

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  16. rikyrah says:

    Lynn V (@lynnv378) Tweeted:
    They are all literally trying to silence the base of the Democratic Party to coronate a pasty old botoxed white man so that the pasty old burnt orange skin white man in the WH gets to stay where he is. That is what is happening. https://twitter.com/lynnv378/status/1118158302553284613?s=17

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  20. You better tell’em, Julian Castro!

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  21. Look at this y’all. This is pure madness. The nasty sob won’t go away.

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  23. rikyrah says:

    Turns out the “Friends of Notre-Dame de Paris” already exists, as they were supporting the renovation. Here’s a news article with some donation info.
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/04/15/donate-rebuild-notre-dame-cathedral-paris/

    there’s a link there which takes you to the website on which this (French) donation page appears:
    http://www.notredamedeparis.fr…..-francais/

    The website is for a French foundation with donations in Euro. I’m not sure how you donate $$ to them, although the SF news article says there’s a (US) 501c3 associated. In the past I’ve had problems sending money from a US bank to a European recipient.

    I do see that the donation form has “Etats-Unis” (US) as a pulldown option for donor’s country.

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  24. rikyrah says:

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  25. Speaker Pelosi y’all are going to have to stop this thug. He’s sending straight up dog whistles to his racist base. This is a feeding. It’s time to act before @IlhanMN is harmed.

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    A brave chaplain and a human chain saved holy relics from Notre Dame
    CBSNews

    Paris’s Deputy Mayor for Tourism and Sports, Jean-Francois Martins told “CBS This Morning” on Tuesday that he and others on the scene jumped into action to salvage the trove of art and artifacts housed in Notre Dame Cathedral as a devastating fire engulfed the ancient building the previous evening.

    “We made a human chain, with our friends from the church… to get, as quick as possible, to get all the relics,” he said, noting that the Crown of Thorns believed to have been worn by Jesus Christ on the cross was among the items rescued.

    “Thanks to the great bravery of all our firefighters, and as well all the public servants there, we had a very quick intervention. Very quickly a team was fully dedicated to save all these holy pieces, and specifically the relics and the crown,” Martins said. “Everything is safe and undamaged, and in our really bad day, we had one good news.”
    ………………………

    French Culture Minister Franck Riester told reporters in Paris on Tuesday that all the art and artifacts rescued from the cathedral would be transferred to another Parisian landmark, the Louvre Museum, for safe keeping.

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  37. rikyrah says:

    Trump hires new legal team to fight release of tax returns
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  47. rikyrah says:

    Since we can’t depend upon the MSM to do it, folks are out there, analyzing Bernie’s tax crap

    ……………..

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    Bernie’s taxes are fucked up. Some examples:

    2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2013= All were edited/revised in the box that asks for your self employment income to determine additional taxes owed 😬😬

    2014, 2011, 2009= Not full returns, and almost all years are missing attachments https://twitter.com/AnnAnnChe/status/1117965417752829952?s=17

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    Bernie’s taxes are fucked up. CONT

    2013: Jane’s “small antique business” had $3,832 in gross sales, but a net profit of -$938 bc she wrote off a bunch of meals (no taxes owed on negative income)

    2012: $5,300 rental income but negative -$25,256 in rental expenses? 😬 Yikes!

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    The deductions and write offs in general are pretty ridiculous. Bernie has written off $8,000 a year in meals on a few returns

    Mysterious farm income was not only revised in 5 different returns, but required boxes were left blank or whited out

    Charity deductions but no deets

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    I’m going through my old self employment taxes, and I don’t have any with different fonts 🤷🏼‍♀️

    And I have a 0 in Net Farm Profit. Bernie has a income there.

    Some Bernie people swear its standard or Turbo Tax default but idk my taxes def don’t look like this. His look bonkers.

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    The sketchiest part feels like the deductions.

    When you have a W2 job, your income and taxes are straight forward.

    But they always have self employment income/unnamed gift contributions, etc. where they can create tons of deductions to offset how much they owe in taxes.

    VoteForWomen ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿 (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
    They have so many deductions it plummets them in super low tax brackets- like 15% making over 200K?!

    It honestly feels like they create side jobs/investments for opportunities to create deductions. And yeah I think they just make up a lot of deductions to get out of taxes.

    …………..
    Kim Wexler’s Ponytail (@MadisonKittay) Tweeted:
    @AnnAnnChe @AnikoSz1 Transparency: Harris 2018 return is 100+ pages, Klobuchar is 80 pages, O’Rourke 2017 is 70 pages.

    Sanders 2018 is 18 pages.

    Something stinks here. https://twitter.com/MadisonKittay/status/1118006643277668352?s=17

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  48. rikyrah says:

    Ninjette, The Real (@NinjetteTheReal) Tweeted:
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  49. rikyrah says:

    Mother Jones (@MotherJones) Tweeted:
    Facebook has become a place where companies can market fancy houses to white people and junk food to black children, where hate speech is amplified and the right to vote is suppressed. https://t.co/RB8KciSrSJ https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1118124358520721410?s=17

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  50. rikyrah says:

    b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) Tweeted:
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  51. rikyrah says:

    Hit piece on Neera

    Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) Tweeted:
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  52. rikyrah says:

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  55. rikyrah says:

    Tina Vasquez (@TheTinaVasquez) Tweeted:
    Why do white liberals love Pete Buttigieg but not Julián Castro? Why are white journalists framing Pete Buttigieg as a solid contender for the nomination, while framing Julián Castro as out of the realm of possibility? These questions answer themselves, obviously. https://twitter.com/TheTinaVasquez/status/1117807502089949184?s=17

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  56. rikyrah says:

    i wasnt made to fall in line (@JesseRikart) Tweeted:
    Kamala Harris’ tax returns were 500+ pages.

    Can anyone explain why Bernie’s taxes are missing so many pages and supplemental information to explain his deductions and income? https://twitter.com/JesseRikart/status/1117981309996023808?s=17

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  59. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone😢😢😢

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