Tuesday Open Thread | President Jimmy Carter: Trump is an illegitimate president

Former President Jimmy Carter made a remarkable claim during an event at the Carter Center in Leesburg, Virginia, on Friday, describing President Donald Trump as an illegitimate president who wouldn’t have won but for Russian interference on his behalf.

“I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated, would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016,” the 94-year-old Carter said. “He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf.”

The panel moderator, historian Jon Meacham, asked Carter if that means he thinks Trump “is an illegitimate president.” Carter said he does.

“Based on what I just said, which I can’t retract, I would say yes,” Carter said, as the crowd responded with chuckles.

Carter’s position is a matter of opinion. There is no hard evidence that Trump wouldn’t have prevailed without Russian help.

But there’s no doubt that that help — which, according to the US intelligence community and special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, included digital propaganda and disinformation campaigns, the hacks of Democratic targets, and the ensuing WikiLeaks email dumps that were timed to do maximum damage to Hillary Clinton — helped Trump overcome a 3 million vote loss in the popular vote and win in the Electoral College.

Carter’s opinion, however — coming as it does from a former president — is a remarkable one. On Twitter, former Clinton administration Secretary of Labor Robert Reich described Carter’s comments as “stunning” and asked, “When has a former president ever accused a current president of being illegitimate?”

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93 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread | President Jimmy Carter: Trump is an illegitimate president

  1. rikyrah says:

    We will see……check the final printing…

    HUGE CENSUS NEWS — the Government just advised that the decision has been made to print the the census questionnaire WITHOUT the citizenship question. We won.— Daniel Jacobson (@Dan_F_Jacobson) July 2, 2019

  2. Liza says:

    Maybe someone has noticed that the oval office occupant has flipped his wig. I keep waiting for this to become an issue, Trump’s dementia.

  3. I’m getting things ready for the 4th today. I have a lot of people coming over.

  4. rikyrah says:

    Tanks in the streets. Concentration camps. Bumbling toward useless war in Iran. Millions flowing through Trump’s businesses. Everything but crowns for Ivanka & Jared.

    Everyone who was called hysterical was right — yet still no one is listening to them about what happens next.

    https://t.co/wwMUOeaNYd— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) July 2, 2019

    • majiir says:

      She was so cool. I couldn’t have been that cool if a contractor showed up at my house with a Confederate flag flying high off his vehicle.

    • Liza says:

      From the article: “D’Andrea also serves on the neighborhood association committee, a fact that caused a few neighbors to reconsider his membership.”

      Reminds me so much of George Zimmerman except, thankfully, he didn’t kill the child.

  5. Ametia says:

    Word of the Day : July 2, 2019

    Burgeon: verb BER-jun

    1 a : to send forth new growth (such as buds or branches) : sprout

    b : bloom

    2 : to grow and expand rapidly : flourish

  6. rikyrah says:

    I think the title is bullshyt, the editorial is milquetoast.
    We don’t have an immigration crisis. We have a racism put into policy crisis, by an Administration bound an determined to hurt non-White people. A border patrol that is out of control, and needs to be completely cleaned of personnel. And. I don’t see or hear from one phucking Republican office holder about what’s happening in these camps.
    This entire op-ed just did nothing for me.

    The Immigration Crisis Is Corrupting the Nation
    Border agents who demeaned migrants on Facebook have exacerbated a grim situation.

    By The Editorial Board
    The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

    July 1, 2019

    Last year, as part of an effort to carry out President Trump’s promise of “extreme vetting” of visitors to the United States, the Department of Homeland Security began collecting social media account information from millions of people seeking to cross the border.

    After all, a radical online could be a radical offline.

    That’s why the stream of posts ricocheting around a 9,500-member Facebook group, comprising current and former Border Patrol agents as well as some people with no apparent connection to the Border Patrol, is so troubling. Members of the group, as documented by ProPublica this week, “joked about the deaths of migrants, discussed throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting a detention facility in Texas on Monday and posted a vulgar illustration depicting Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in oral sex with a detained migrant, according to screenshots of their postings.”

    Of a 16-year-old migrant from Guatemala who died while in Border Patrol custody in May, a member of the group wrote, “If he dies, he dies.”

    Customs and Border Protection said on Monday that it had informed the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general about the posts and had started its own investigation. The National Border Patrol union decried the posts as “inappropriate and unprofessional.”


    In a larger sense, the Border Patrol Facebook posts reveal a worrying mind-set among some of those charged with administering the harshest crackdown on migrants and asylum-seekers in decades. “These are clearly agents who are desensitized to the point of being dangerous to migrants and their co-workers,” Representative Joaquin Castro, who heads the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, told ProPublica.

    The realities of that crackdown have created conditions that Americans would condemn if they were in another country.

    While lawmakers refuse to compromise on emergency aid for the humanitarian needs at the border, “children are held for weeks in deplorable conditions, without access to soap, clean water, showers, clean clothing, toilets, toothbrushes, adequate nutrition or adequate sleep,” groups supporting the children wrote in a recent court filing. A judge on Friday ordered Customs and Border Protection to allow health workers into facilities where children are being held to ensure that conditions are “safe and sanitary.”


    Only a callous person could find mirth in the misery at the border. And only a desensitized nation could continue to permit the separation of children from their parents — and detaining all of them in atrocious conditions — as a morally acceptable form of deterrence.

    WHO is desensitized. Certainly not me, or anyone here. We’re absolutely phucking furious!

    • Ametia says:

      YEP This NYT lede is BULLSHIT.

      They want us to roll out in the streets and by ways and act a fool, so that they can roll up on us with MILITARY tanks.

  7. rikyrah says:

    I searched around the internet, and couldn’t find stories of any indictments from the NY AG’s office. So…what happened that sent Dolt45 on a tear about AG James yesterday?

  8. Ametia says:


    “When has a former president ever accused a current president of being illegitimate?”

    First time in my life times.

  9. rikyrah says:

    about those tanks for Dolt45’s vanity project:

    Another problem is that Arlington Memorial Bridge, which spans the Potomac River and connects Arlington National Cemetery and the Lincoln Memorial, might not be able to hold the weight.

  10. rikyrah says:

    Silverman went all in on the disinformation campaign yesterday, against the Congressional delegation that went to the Concentration Camps.

    Watching the Disinformation and Influence Operation Being Made In Real Time
    by Adam L Silverman at 10:41 pm on July 1, 2019.

    A congressional delegation (CODEL) went to visit several Customs & Border Patrol (C&BP) facilities today. John just put up a post about it here at Balloon Juice Actual. But we weren’t the only ones tracking on it. Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks, as well as her just being part of the CODEL, set off the expected firestorm. The highly credulous, fabulist Anna Giaritelli, who poses as The Washington Examiner‘s Homeland Security reporter, and who was not on site covering the CODEL, decided to report, first by tweet and then in the Examiner, that Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez threw a pair of temper tantrums during the visits. This was picked up by Students for Trump* on twitter and put on blast. Townhall, Breitbart, The Daily Caller, and The Blaze all picked up Giaritelli’s disinformation and published their own stories around it. So while there are at least five articles about this in the conservative news media, four of them simply refer back to Giaritelli’s original reporting, which hasn’t been confirmed by any of the reporters actually in attendance with the CODEL.

    Giaritelli, known for her greatest hit of barbering the written quotation of a video interview she conducted with a rancher to make it seem as if discarded Muslim pray rugs had been found in New Mexico by the Border Patrol and other ranchers, has already been called out by a reporter who was actually on site and who live streamed significant portions of the CODEL’s visits. It is unclear if Giaritelli was on site, as she didn’t indicate in her reporting where she was reporting from. Also, all of her sources for this reporting are, of course, anonymous.

  11. rikyrah says:

    Rep. Nadler: Border agency heads should be prosecuted for abuse

    Rep. Jerry Nadler, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over border matters, calls the treatment of immigrants at detention centers “inhuman” and calls for the prosecution of border agency heads for child abuse and other crimes.

  12. rikyrah says:

    Trump USDA climate science quash squanders US science leadership

    Rachel Maddow looks at the history of scientific excellence and global leadership by the USDA and how the agency’s research capacity is being decimated by Donald Trump and Secretary Sonny Perdue’s effort to suppress climate science and other research that doesn’t comport with the Trump agenda.

  13. rikyrah says:

    SCOTUS makes state races key to next decade of political power

    Rachel Maddow explains how the Supreme Court declining to rule against partisan gerrymandering has declared open season on fair elections and made the coming state legislatures critical because they will use the new census data to draw new voting districts that could cement power for the next decade until the next census.

  14. rikyrah says:

    Corey Bu-Shea (@coreybking) Tweeted:
    Kamala is a cop is the narrative that the overwoke are going with, but they have no problem with Elizabeth Warren being a whole ass Republican during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations…make that make sense 🙄🙄🙄🙄 https://twitter.com/coreybking/status/1145798225657552897?s=17

  15. rikyrah says:

    Just watched the trailer for the new Scream reboot, done by Queen Latifah, and it has Mary J and Keke Palmer in it. I don’t do horror, but, I have always made an exception for Scream. I’m in. It’ll be Monday, July 8th on VH1.

  16. rikyrah says:


    Lynn V (@lynnv378) Tweeted:
    2016 was about how they worked to suppress the Black & Minority vote.
    2020 will be about how they work to divide the Black & Minority vote.

    We’re seeing this play out already. https://twitter.com/lynnv378/status/1145696056560291840?s=17

  17. rikyrah says:

    St. Ignatius is a great school, but, if she wanted to, she could have gotten her son a spot in one of the top magnet schools in the city, which always land in the top 10 best schools in the entire state…I’m just saying 🤨🤨

    Folks bringing receipts.


  18. rikyrah says:


    Ebony Edwards-Ellis (@Eedwardsellis) Tweeted:
    I really wish you Never Trump types would go fuck yourselves. You were totally okay with racism, misogyny, elitism, Islamophobia, and xenophobia when Saint Ronnie, H.W.and W were doing it. You’re just mad because Trump started saying the quiet part out loud. https://t.co/9t8uFAUQMJ https://twitter.com/Eedwardsellis/status/1145815693939679238?s=17

  19. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄 😄😄

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