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  1. SouthernGirl2 says:

  2. rikyrah says:

    Low on Cash, Romney Tries to Rally Donors for Final Phase


    Published: September 20, 2012

    Mitt Romney entered the final months of the presidential campaign with a cash balance of just $35 million, racing to find new large donors and rally low-dollar contributors in August even while he raised tens of millions of dollars for the Republican Party.

    Mr. Romney’s campaign took in $67 million that month but also spent about that much, twice the rate of spending as in any prior month, according to reports filed Thursday with the Federal Election Commission. More than half of what Mr. Romney raised in August was money he could not spend until after his party convention at the end of the month. And he grew so short of available cash that his campaign borrowed $20 million and sharply curtailed advertising, even while doling out post-convention bonuses to a handful of senior staff members.

    The new numbers, along with disclosures filed by major “super PACs” supporting the two candidates, challenge the appearance of financial strength that had burnished Mr. Romney over the summer, and show unexpected strengths for President Obama going into the fall.

    While Mr. Romney’s combined fund-raising apparatus began September with $168.5 million in cash, much of it was sitting in the accounts of the Republican National Committee, which reported cash on hand of about $76.6 million. While an estimated $42 million remains in his joint account with Republican Party committees, only some of it will be available to Mr. Romney for his general election campaign.

    Mr. Obama and the Democrats, by contrast, began the fall campaign with less money over all, about $125 million. But federal law guarantees candidates, not parties, the lowest available ad rate in the days leading up to a general election. Thanks in part to his army of small donors, Mr. Obama gathered more money in his own campaign account than Mr. Romney, whose advantage lies in raising large checks that primarily benefit the R.N.C.

  3. rikyrah says:

    utaustinliberal @utaustinliberal @MittRomney on #60Minutes:

    “We have universal healthcare. People can go to the ER.”

    What a breathtakingly ignorant man.

    • Dear God,is there ever a time,any time,any day,month ,week or even a minute that this greasy slimmy slippery dick,tells the truth.Not one piece of information on any plan to help any middle class family,to move our life up the ladder and make something of our self,that is if you only want to clean his yard or even better mabey one of there toilets.Dose he really think the american people are so stupid,that we don’t understand when were getting screwed,(and bozo dosen’t even say i love you,or what is your fee).When ever he is asked a questine,he never answers,he tells another lie about President Obama.From morning till night,day after day,Romney&Ryan LIE,LIE,LIE,Actully if one of them lie the other one swares to it,WHAT A PAIR OF LOSSERS.So is Scott Pelley, terrible interviewer,i know a 7yr old that could ask and get better answers.Sorry gottta go throw up! D.G.

  4. rikyrah says:

    Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS


    Obama, on CBS: “If Governor Romney is suggesting we should start another war, he should say so.”


  5. rikyrah says:

    Romney Campaign Admits Their Tax Plan Redistributes Wealth to the Rich

    By: Jason Easley
    The most inept and incoherent presidential campaign in history continues to shoot itself in the foot as Romney economic adviser Emil Henry admitted that the Romney tax plan redistributes wealth.

    Here’s the video from Up With Chris Hayes:

    HAYES: the other thing I want to ask about is the redistribution thing. The president believes in it, Mitt Romney doesn’t. If that’s the case, why not advocate a flat tax ? If romney doesn’t believe in redistribution, he’s got the wrong tax plan. real belief would be at the very least a flat tax. I don’t understand why he doesn’t have the courage to go out there and advocate for a nonredistributive tax plan.

    HENRY: Actually, if you look at his tax plan closely, it’s about as close to a flat tax plan as has existed since the Reagan years. What he’s done is he — and what he was advocating for is a highly simplified plan. The tax code , by the way, is 70,000 pages. 70,000. you know why it’s 70,000 pages? For the last multiple decades, politicians have sold for donations have sold exemptions to the code. Let’s simplify it. We can come to that one. let’s simplify it. let’s lower marginal rates and get rid of, not all, but most of the agregregious exemptions and taxes on the middle class will go down. and no — I have heard him say this 100 times and i know this for a fact, he says taxes on rich folks are not going to go down because of the elimination of exemptions. the more people hear about this –

    HAYES: That’s intention with the nonredistributed thing. taxes on wealthy people have to go down. If he doesn’t believe in that, he has to reduce the burden of wealthy people. we have a barely, but progressive income tax . If he doesn’t believe in redistribution, he has to cut it for the wealthy. it’s not the case he is flattening the tax code and not lowering them for rich people.

    HENRY: Your point — if your making — Chris, I always like talking with you. you think outside the box. If your point is that a progressive tax code, which is what the United States of America has and it’s the right thing, and it’s about fairness and fairness of opportunity, your point is there’s a technical element of redistribution by virtue of hiring –

    HAYES: Not just technical — that’s redistribution. You are paying for it!

    HENRY: Let’s be real about it. Let’s be real about this. when President Obama talks about redistribution, Chris, you know this is true, when he talks about redistribution, he is talking about a massive difference from the Romney plan, which is about simpler, lower marginal rates , getting rid of exemptions and lowering the corporate tax rate to attract business in America.

    The Romney campaign’s argument is that when President Obama talks about cutting taxes for ninety eight percent of America, that’s redistribution. What Romney is proposing is tax fairness for the wealthy. When taxes are cut for the rich, that’s not redistribution. It’s fairness. Any sort of aid or cuts for everyone else is evil, Commie, socialist redistribution.

    Emil Henry’s answer was based on the ideological concept, which we now know that Romney holds near and dear to his heart, that the wealthy are overtaxed. When pushed, Henry had to admit that technically the Romney plan is redistribution, because there is no technically about it. It is redistribution. Romney wants to shift the tax burden from the top down. He wants to place more of the tax burden on the middle class and poor. He wants to take the little bit of wealth at the bottom and shift it to the top.

    That’s the Romney plan.

  6. rikyrah says:

    Obama Draws 18,000 in Wisconsin While 650 Show Up for Romney in California

    By: Jason EasleySeptember 23rd, 2012

    While President Obama was mobilizing a large and loud crowd of thousands of supporters in Wisconsin, Mitt Romney was fundraising off of a crowd of 650 in California.

    Here is how Fox 11 described the Obama rally in Wisconsin last night, “Then the President continued his attack on the GOP ticket in front of an estimated 18,000 people at the Summerfest grounds along the lakeshore.”

    While Obama was rocking the crowd in Wisconsin, Mitt Romney was off trying to raise money for his cash poor campaign. According to the AP, “Speaking to roughly 650 supporters gathered at Grand Del Mar, a luxury hotel north of San Diego, Romney said his campaign schedule has been hectic. I’m not even going to be able to go home today,” he said of his second home in nearby La Jolla. “We’re just coming to town to see you and keep the campaign going. It’s nonstop.”

    Obama spent his day talking to tens of thousands of supporters, while Romney was complaining about not being able to visit his second home at a fundraiser. The right is outraged and claiming that there is no way that 18,000 people came out to hear Obama. They are accusing the media of pushing Obama propaganda. They believe that the real attendance at the event was 5,000. They offer no proof to back up their claims, but for the sake of argument, let’s assume Obama’s attendance was 5,000-10,000. Does it really make a difference?

  7. rikyrah says:

    The Wheels Fall Off for Romney as Obama Leads with NASCAR Fans, 48%-41%

    By: Jason Easley

    According to a new Zogby Poll the wheels are close to coming off the Romney campaign. President Obama leads Mitt Romney among NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

    The Zogby poll revealed that President Obama has a seven point lead over Mitt Romney among likely voters, 48%-41%, and even larger nine point lead when all candidates are included, 49%-40%. The real shocker is that the poll found the president doing very well with some traditionally thought of Republican voting blocs.

    Obama leads in almost every region of the country, and only trailed Romney by six points in the South, 41%-47%. Among voters who shop at Wal-Mart on a weekly basis, Romney’s lead is within the poll’s 3.4% margin of error, 45%-42%. Obama leads with voters who are or who have a family member in the military, 54%-39%. Most surprisingly, Obama only trails Romney by seven points with those who consider themselves born again Christians, 40%-47%. The president also leads with NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

    Romney’s problems with NASCAR fans could go back to when he mocked them while attending the Daytona 500 this year. The New York Times reported Romney’s Daytona experience in the most classic of ways, “But the crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. ‘I like those fancy raincoats you bought,’ he said. ‘Really sprung for the big bucks.’ And when asked if he was a fan of the sport, he mentioned that ‘I have some great friends who are Nascar team owners.’”

    Romney mocked NASCAR fans, and then he followed it up by mocking the 47%, some of which I am sure also follow NASCAR. Overall, Romney’s poor showing with NASCAR fans reflects his inability to connect with people. NASCAR is a national sport now, so it isn’t just Southern white people watching anymore. Romney’s NASCAR fail was a sign of a much bigger problem. Romney has tried to suck up to NASCAR fans, but it looks like his insincere advances are being rebuffed

  8. rikyrah says:

    Emily Friedman ‏@EmilyABC
    Romney on Obama’s strategy: “He’s trying to fool people into thinking that I think things that I don’t.”

  9. rikyrah says:

    Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp
    60 Min: Is “fair to a guy who makes $50k” to pay “a higher rate than you?” Romney: “yeah.. It’s the right way to encourage economic growth

    • I bet he dosen’t even know anybody that makes $50k,unless it’s his gardener,an aint no way he would pay that much unless he could get a large enough tax deduction to pay him and get 3times as much back so the gardener would end up paying romney for cutting the grass.D.G.

  10. rikyrah says:

    Koch Group Kicks Off Massive Voter Mobilization Effort

    Lee Fang on September 22, 2012 – 4:38 PM ET

    Its “National Prosperity Action Day.” Tea Partiers, Republican volunteers and conservative activists are being summoned by Americans for Prosperity—the group founded and financed by several large corporations, and led by the billionaire Koch brothers—to begin mobilizing to defeat President Obama and Congressional Democrats.

    They’re gathering in newly set up offices in critical swing states. Some of the locations have a tinge of irony for a supposedly grassroots, ordinary citizens-led organization: In Saddlebrook, Arizona, they’ll be meeting in a country club; in Clearwater, Florida, the local AFP field director rented space from an outsourcing company called TAC Worldwide. But the work the AFP machine is doing is no laughing matter for liberals. The Koch network has a sophisticated targeting system, as well as an army of experienced Republican campaign hands to guide the effort. The volunteers even receive Samsung Galaxy tablets to quickly log information and move on to the next potential Romney voter.

    Its the beginning of an extremely well-planned get-out-the-vote effort that duplicates what an entire national party would attempt. And its been four years in the making.

    In 2009, the Koch network created a model called the Wisconsin Prosperity Project to move the state to the far right. After witnessing the Democrats’ stunning 2008 ground game, the operatives in Wisconsin were determined to out-organize liberals. They hired Tea Party organizers, invested heavily in front groups (like the MacIver Center), ran constant advertising and coordinated with employers to hold propaganda meetings with workers. Tea Party bus tours in the state, fully financed by AFP, were “designed” to help elect Republicans.

    And in 2010, Wisconsin turned harder to the right than almost any other state in the nation during the midterm elections. At least from the Koch perspective, the investments worked. (The Koch theory of change was also reinforced by the savvy Scott Walker recall campaign, in which Koch operatives bused seventy-five canvassers to the state to out-perform the unions.)

  11. rikyrah says:

    found this comment at pm carpenters:

    Here is what Romney doesn’t get. Obama has slit the throat of Reaganism. He is getting away with it because he is calling it by its proper name, trickle down economic, because no smart politician would openly attack anything named “Reagan”. Even so, Obama has slit the throat of Reaganism, in the prison yard, in front of everyone – and he is getting away with it.

    Romney and all the GOP politicos can do nothing but wave the bloody shirt, but there is no magic in the bloody shirt.

    The only mistake Romney made related to the video was assuming no rich person in the room would tape what they tell each other in private, all day every day. In my discussions with conservative acquaintances who do not know I am a librul, they were unanimous in being glad that Romney told the truth. They are convinced that the truth of Reaganism revealed and unleashed will win this election.

    Reaganism is dead, and Obama killed it.

    The upcoming debates will mirror Achilles dragging Hector’s dead body behind his chariot as he circles the imprenatrable walls of Troy.

    Posted by: Robert Lipscomb | September 22, 2012 at 09:20 AM

  12. rikyrah says:

    September 22, 2012

    Romney’s uncomprehending ’60 Minutes’ interview, and my uncomprehension

    Last night I was rereading some of H.S. Thompson’s Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail ’72, because I was suddenly, inexplicably gripped by a need to sort out the McGovern staff’s baroque parliamentary maneuverings with respect to seating South Carolina’s delegation at the Democratic convention–a cat-and-mouse complexity which I never understood the first time I read (and reread) Thompson’s account years ago, and this morning, I still don’t understand it.

    At any rate, as I was unsuccessfully plumbing this apparently abiding mystery I ran across one of the many unrelated quotes that Thompson peppers his monograph with, this one, from Saul Alinsky: “Don’t worry, boys, we’ll weather this storm of approval and come out as hated as ever.”

    Thus intruded a searching recollection. Mitt Romney is as hated as ever, true enough, but has he ever experienced a storm of approval? Of any severity? About anything? Even his own nominating conventioneers seemed leery and quietly skeptical of the man. Romney may be the GOP’s McGovern–or Goldwater–in terms of electoral outcome, but both McGovern and Goldwater were adored by their bases, their bases loved them, their guys fought the good fight and they lost with honor, on principle.

  13. rikyrah says:

    September 23, 2012

    Mitt Romney: impossibly screwed

    He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn’t reinvent himself.
    –Steve Deace, “an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host”

    There’s a ream of these impossible tips in the Hill piece. Try being sincere, Mitt; seem transparent, Mr. Romney; just conjure up some credibility like you’re ordering pie, Governor. Be the opposite of who you are but for heaven’s sake don’t reinvent yourself.

    And while you’re at it, dear leader–and this advice is even more mind-blowingly asinine than the above–“offer calm clarity about what a Romney administration would do.”

    Yeah. Nice touch. Be calm, Governor Romney, as you clearly project trillions in additional debt and vividly pledge the impoverishment of seniors and graphically promise more endless global wars.

    You see, Governor, many voters will viscerally, violently disagree with you, but gee won’t they admire your political honesty?

    The realpolitik of it is a simple, deafening, resoundingly conspicuous No

    • Ametia says:

      I’m framing this photo. Posted it on FLOTUS thread. My grandma used to hold my face like this, and she’d kiss both my cheeks. there is soooo much love and respect oozing out of this photo. It give me chiills and the warmest of memories.

  14. rikyrah says:

    Pennsylvania Democrats use loophole to beat Voter Suppression Law

    By: Adalia Woodbury

    Now that Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court has sent the state’s version of the ALEC inspired voter ID law back to the lower court , asking the Judge to consider enjoining the law, it is probable that Pennsylvania’s voter ID will go to that place down under especially reserved for vote suppression laws.

    Just the same, some counties in Pennsylvania adopted an innovative approach to assuring that people do get the ID they need under the law.

    According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Montgomery and Alleghany Counties used a loophole in the law that allows Colleges and Nursing homes to issue voter ID’s to anyone who resides in their counties.

    It also appears that other counties are seriously considering adopting the same approach.

    “A voter-ID mutiny launched by Democratic-controlled Montgomery and Allegheny Counties showed signs of spreading across the state Friday, as Philadelphia and a handful of other local governments said they, too, would consider issuing poll-ready identification cards through county-run nursing homes and colleges.”

    This is one of those special moments, since at least some Republicans are showing little desire to oppose this measure, despite the fact that Democrats came up with the idea.

  15. rikyrah says:

    September 21, 2012

    Why Is Romney Such a Loser? Seven Theories

    Posted by John Cassidy

    It’s a serious question. On the basis of fundamentals, the race should be a squeaker. The Yale economist Ray Fair’s prediction model, which ignores the opinion polls and just looks at economic factors, currently puts Obama’s share of the popular vote at 49.5 per cent, implying that Romney would almost certainly get a narrow majority in the electoral college and win the election. Because the margin of error in Fair’s forecasting equation is three per cent, he isn’t really predicting a Romney victory; he’s just saying that the race should be close, really close. As of today, it isn’t.

    According to the Real Clear Politics poll-of-polls, which averages out all the most recent surveys, Obama is leading by more than three points. Since the start of the year, Romney hasn’t led the poll-of-polls. He has only drawn level once—immediately after the Republican convention. And in many of the swing states, such as Ohio and Virginia, the survey data looks even worse for him. He could still come back, of course, but at this stage it will take something dramatic to change the dynamics: a foreign-policy disaster, a terrible piece of economic news, a big slipup by Obama in the debates.

    What’s gone wrong for Romney? Here are seven possible explanations:

    1. The Romney campaign is incompetent. In a column a couple of days ago, Peggy Noonan, the former White House speech writer for Ronald Reagan, said publicly what many Republicans have been saying in private for months: “It’s time to admit the Romney campaign is an incompetent one. It’s not big, it’s not brave, it’s not thoughtfully tackling great issues. It’s always been too small for the moment.” Stuart Stevens, Romney’s mercurial campaign manager, is the piñata of the moment, with Republicans blaming him for everything from failing to settle on a clear message, hogging too much responsibility inside Team Romney—he’s in charge of speech-writing and advertising, as well as overall strategy—and bungling Romney’s speech at the convention. Stevens “sold himself as a kind of mad genius,” Noonan noted acidly. “I get the mad part.”

    2. Romney is incompetent. No big-name Republican has come right out and said this, but many are increasingly convinced of it, especially following the emergence of the “forty-seven per cent” video. Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, called Romney’s comments on the video “stupid and arrogant.” In a column in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove, who has been one of Romney’s biggest supporters, noted, “There’s little tolerance among Republican donors, activists and talking heads for more statements by Mr. Romney that the media can depict as gaffes.” It seems that almost every week lately Romney has had to walk back, or clarify, something embarrassing he’s said.

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  16. rikyrah says:

    I Was a Welfare Mother

    I WAS a welfare mother, “dependent upon government,” as Mitt Romney so bluntly put it in a video that has gone viral. “My job is not to worry about those people,” he said. “I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” But for me, applying for government benefits was exactly that — a way of taking responsibility for myself and my son during a difficult time in our lives. Those resources kept us going for four years. Anyone waiting for me to apologize shouldn’t hold his breath.

    Almost 40 years ago, working two jobs, with an ex-husband who was doing little to help, I came home late one night to my parents’ house, where I was living at the time. My mother was sitting at the card table, furiously filling out forms. It was my application for readmission to college, and she’d done nearly everything. She said she’d write the essay, too, if I wouldn’t. You have to get back on track, she told me. I sat down with her and began writing.

    And so, eight years after I’d flunked out, gotten pregnant, eloped, had a child, divorced and then fumbled my first few do-overs of jobs and relationships, I was readmitted to the University of New Hampshire as a full-time undergraduate. I received a Basic Educational Opportunity Grant, a work-study grant and the first in a series of college loans. I found an apartment — subsidized, Section 8 — about two miles from campus. Within days, I met other single-mom students. We’d each arrived there by a different route, some falling out of the middle class, others fighting to get up into it, but we shared the same goal: to make a better future.

    By the end of the first semester, I knew that my savings and work-study earnings wouldn’t be enough. My parents could help a little, but at that point they had big life problems of their own. If I dropped to a part-time schedule, I’d lose my work-study job and grants; if I dropped out, I’d be back to zero, with student-loan debt. That’s when a friend suggested food stamps and A.F.D.C. — Aid to Families With Dependent Children.

    Me, a welfare mother? I’d been earning paychecks since the seventh grade. My parents were Great Depression children, both ex-Marines. They’d always taught self-reliance. And I had grown up hearing that anyone “on the dole” was scum. But my friend pointed out I was below the poverty line and sliding. I had a small child. Tuition was due.

    So I went to my dad. He listened, did the calculations with me, and finally said: “I never used the G.I. Bill. I wish I had. Go ahead, do this.” My mother had already voted. “Do not quit. Do. Not.”


    I was not an exception in that little Section 8 neighborhood. Among those welfare moms were future teachers, nurses, scientists, business owners, health and safety advocates. We never believed we were “victims” or felt “entitled”; if anything, we felt determined. Wouldn’t any decent person throw a rope to a drowning person? Wouldn’t any drowning person take it?

    Judge-and-punish-the-poor is not a demonstration of American values. It is, simply, mean. My parents saved me and then — on the dole, in the classroom or crying deep in the night, in love with a little boy who needed everything I could give him — I learned to save myself. I do not apologize. I was not ashamed then; I am not ashamed now. I was, and will always be, profoundly grateful.

  17. Ametia says:


    Bubba must mean the SuperPacs, right? Because didn’t Romney just borrow
    $20 million for his campagin?

    Clinton: GOP money advantage could still swing the election
    Source: LA Times

    A month and a half before Election Day, President Obama is winning, former President Bill Clinton said Sunday, citing a raft of recent polls that show Obama widening a lead in several key swing states.

    But Clinton warned Romney’s money advantage and Republican efforts in states around the country to put more restrictions on voting still threaten Obama’s chances.

    “Assuming the debates are even a draw, I think the president will win,” Clinton said CBS’ “Face the Nation” with Bob Schieffer. “But I think you can’t know because of the enormous financial advantage that Citizens United gave to these Republican super PACs and because of the work they have done and will do on Election Day to try to reduce the number of young people, first-generation immigrants, and minorities voting.

    Clinton said Republicans are counting on lower turnout that will match 2010, when Republicans scored major gains in the midterm elections, retaking control of the House and nearly retaking the Senate.

    Read more:,0,7115905.story

  18. Ametia says:

    Here’s Obama’s Ground Game – Here’s Your Jurassic Park

    Let the pics speak for themselves

  19. Ametia says:

    Bill Kristol: ‘Obama team turned around’ Bush’s financial meltdown

    Source: The Raw Story

    Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol says that Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is going to have a tough time winning if the election is a referendum on President Barack Obama’s first term.

    “They need to focus on the next four years,” the conservative columnist told Fox News host Chris Wallace on Sunday. “If this election is just about the last four years, that’s a muddy verdict.”

    “Bush was president during the financial meltdown, the Obama team has turned that around pretty well,” he explained. “He’s got to make it a referendum on the choice about the next four years, and explain what Obama would do over the next four years that would be bad for the country and what he would do would be good for the country.”


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  20. Ametia says:

    MIDDLE EAST NEWSUpdated September 22, 2012, 9:13 p.m. ET.Family Protests CNN’s Use of Slain Envoy’s Journal

    CNN obtained a personal journal that belonged to the slain American ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and broadcast reports based on its contents against the wishes of the Stevens family, according to relatives and State Department officials who were asked to intervene by the family.

    CNN obtained the journal in Benghazi, where Mr. Stevens and three other Americans were killed in an attack by militants on the American consulate in the city on Sept. 11. It wasn’t clear exactly how CNN obtained the ambassador’s writings.

    By finding and using Mr. Stevens’s personal handwritten thoughts, CNN provoked an unusually sharp condemnation from top officials at the State Department, who called the network’s conduct “disgusting.”

  21. SouthernGirl2 says:

    Bill Clinton: Obama ‘Has The Advantage’ Over Romney

    Appearing Sunday on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” Bill Clinton weighed in on the state of the presidential race.

    “I think the president has the advantage now,” he said. “We did have a very good convention. He got a good boost out of it.”

    “The real question is who’s got the better plan for the future. I think he’ll win that argument.”

  22. SouthernGirl2 says:

    Good Morning!

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