Thursday Open Thread | Prince Week

Our Prince week continues.

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Solo again, Sign “O” the Times and spiritual rebirth: 1987–91

Prior to the disbanding of The Revolution, Prince was working on two separate projects, The Revolution album Dream Factory and a solo effort, Camille.[39] Unlike the three previous band albums, Dream Factory included significant input from the band members and even featured a number of songs with lead vocals by Wendy & Lisa,[39] while the Camille project saw Prince create a new persona primarily singing in a sped up, female-sounding voice. With the dismissal of The Revolution, Prince consolidated material from both shelved albums, along with some new songs, into a three-LP album to be titled Crystal Ball.[40] However, Warner Bros. forced Prince to trim the triple album to a double album and Sign “O” the Times was released on March 31, 1987.[41]

The album peaked at No.6 on the Billboard 200 albums chart.[41] The first single, “Sign o’ the Times”, would chart at No.3 on the Hot 100.[42] The follow-up single, “If I Was Your Girlfriend” charted poorly at No.67 on the Hot 100, but went to No.12 on R&B chart.[42] The third single, a duet with Sheena Easton, “U Got the Look” charted at No.2 on the Hot 100, No.11 on the R&B chart,[42] and the final single “I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man” finished at No.10 on Hot 100 and No.14 on the R&B chart.[42]

Despite receiving the greatest critical acclaim of any album in Prince’s career, including being named the top album of the year by the Pazz & Jop critics’ poll, and eventually selling 3.2 million copies, album sales steadily declined.[43] In Europe, however, it performed well and Prince promoted the album overseas with a lengthy tour. Putting together a new backing band from the remnants of The Revolution, Prince added bassist Levi Seacer, Jr., Boni Boyer on keyboards, and dancer/choreographer Cat Glover to go with new drummer Sheila E. and holdovers Miko Weaver, Doctor Fink, Eric Leeds, Atlanta Bliss, and the Bodyguards (Jerome, Wally Safford, and Greg Brooks) for the Sign o’ the Times Tour.

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The tour was a success overseas, with Warner Bros. and Prince’s managers wanting to bring it to the U.S. to resuscitate sagging sales of Sign “O” the Times[44][45]; however, Prince balked at a full U.S. tour, as he was ready to produce a new album.[44] As a compromise the last two nights of the tour were filmed for release in movie theaters. The film quality was deemed subpar and reshoots were performed at his Paisley Park studios.[44] The film Sign o’ the Times was released on November 20, 1987. Much like the album, the film garnered more critical praise than the previous year’s Under the Cherry Moon; however, its box office receipts were minimal, and it quickly left theaters.[45]

The next album intended for release was to be The Black Album.[46] More instrumental and funk and R&B themed than recent releases,[47] The Black Album also saw Prince experiment with hip hop music on the songs “Bob George” and “Dead on It.” Prince was set to release the album with a monochromatic black cover with only the catalog number printed, but after 500,000 copies had been pressed,[48] Prince had a spiritual epiphany that the album was evil and had it recalled.[49] It would later be released by Warner Bros. as a limited edition album in 1994. Prince went back in the studio for eight weeks and recorded Lovesexy.

Released on May 10, 1988, Lovesexy serves as a spiritual opposite to the dark The Black Album.[50] Every song is a solo effort by Prince, with exception of “Eye No” which was recorded with his backing band at the time, dubbed the “Lovesexy Band” by fans. Lovesexy would reach No.11 on the Billboard 200 and No.5 on the R&B albums chart.[51] The lead single, “Alphabet St.”, peaked at No.8 on the Hot 100 and No.3 on the R&B chart,[41] but finished with only selling 750,000 copies.[52]

Prince again took his post-Revolution backing band (minus the Bodyguards) on a three leg, 84-show Lovesexy World Tour; although the shows were well received by huge crowds, they lost money due to the expensive sets and incorporated props.[53][54]
Prince performing during his Nude Tour in 1990

In 1989, Prince appeared on Madonna’s studio album Like a Prayer, co-writing and singing the duet “Love Song” and playing electric guitar (uncredited) on the songs “Like a Prayer”, “Keep It Together”, and “Act of Contrition”. He also began work on a number of musical projects, including Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic and early drafts of his Graffiti Bridge film,[55][56] but both were put on hold when he was asked by Batman director Tim Burton to record several songs for the upcoming live-action adaptation. Prince went into the studio and produced an entire nine-track album that Warner Bros. released on June 20, 1989. Batman peaked at No.1 on the Billboard 200,[57] selling 4.3 million copies.[58] The single “Batdance” topped the Billboard and R&B charts.

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Additionally, the single “The Arms of Orion” with Sheena Easton charted at No. 36, and “Partyman” (also featuring the vocals of Prince’s then-girlfriend, nicknamed Anna Fantastic) charted at No.18 on the Hot 100 and at No.5 on the R&B chart, while the love ballad “Scandalous!” went to No.5 on the R&B chart.[41] However, he did have to sign away all publishing rights to the songs on the album to Warner Bros. as part of the deal to do the soundtrack.

In 1990, Prince went back on tour with a revamped band for his stripped down, back-to-basics Nude Tour. With the departures of Boni Boyer, Sheila E., the horns, and Cat, Prince brought in Rosie Gaines on keys, drummer Michael Bland, and dancing trio The Game Boyz (Tony M., Kirky J., and Damon Dickson). The European and Japanese tour was a financial success with its short, greatest hits setlist.[59] As the year progressed, Prince finished production on his fourth film, Graffiti Bridge, and the album of the same name. Initially, Warner Bros. was reluctant to fund the film, but with Prince’s assurances it would be a sequel to Purple Rain as well as the involvement of the original members of The Time, the studio greenlit the project.[60] Released on August 20, 1990, the album reached No.6 on the Billboard 200 and R&B albums chart.[61] The single “Thieves in the Temple” reaching No.6 on the Hot 100 and No.1 on the R&B chart.[41] Also from that album, “Round and Round” placed at number 12 on the U.S. charts and Number 2 on the R&B charts. The song featured the teenage Tevin Campbell (who also had a role in the film) on lead vocals. The film, released on November 20, 1990, was a critical and box office flop, grossing just $4.2 million.[62] After the release of the film and album, the last remaining members of The Revolution, Miko Weaver and Doctor Fink, left Prince’s band.

The New Power Generation, Diamonds and Pearls and name change: 1991–94
Prince’s Yellow Cloud Guitar at the Smithsonian Castle. Prince can be seen playing this guitar in the “Gett Off” video.

1991 marked the debut of Prince’s new band, the New Power Generation. With guitarist Miko Weaver and long-time keyboardist Doctor Fink gone, Prince added bass player Sonny T., Tommy Barbarella on keyboards, and a brass section known as the Hornheads to go along with Levi Seacer (taking over on guitar), Rosie Gaines, Michael Bland, and the Game Boyz. With significant input from his band members, Diamonds and Pearls was released on October 1, 1991. Reaching No.3 on the Billboard 200 album chart,[63] Diamonds and Pearls saw 4 hit singles released in the United States. “Gett Off” peaked at No.21 on the Hot 100 and No.6 on the R&B charts, followed by “Cream” which gave Prince his fifth U.S. number one single. The title track “Diamonds and Pearls” became the album’s third single, reaching No.3 on the Hot 100 and the top spot on the R&B charts. “Money Don’t Matter 2 Night” peaked at No.23 and No.14 on the Hot 100 and R&B charts respectively.[64]

1992 saw Prince and The New Power Generation release his twelfth album, ‘Love Symbol Album’,[65] bearing only an unpronounceable symbol on the cover (later copyrighted as Love Symbol #2).[66] The album, generally referred to as the Love Symbol Album, would peak at No.5 on the Billboard 200.[67] While the label wanted “7” to be the first single, Prince fought to have “My Name Is Prince” as he “felt that the song’s more hip-hoppery would appeal to the same audience” that had purchased the previous album.[68] Prince got his way but “My Name Is Prince” only managed to reach No.36 on the Billboard Hot 100 and No.23 on the R&B chart. The follow-up single “Sexy MF” fared worse, charting at No.66 on the Hot 100 and No.76 on the R&B chart. The label’s preferred lead single choice “7” would be the album’s lone top ten hit, reaching #7.[64] ‘Love Symbol Album’ would go on to sell 2.8 million copies worldwide.[68]
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The unpronounceable symbol (later dubbed “Love Symbol #2”)

After two failed attempts in 1990 and 1991,[69] Warner Bros. finally released a greatest hits compilation with the three-disc The Hits/The B-Sides in 1993. The first two discs were also sold separately as The Hits 1 and The Hits 2. In addition to featuring the majority of Prince’s hit singles (with the exception of “Batdance” and other songs that appeared on the Batman soundtrack), The Hits includes an array of previously hard-to-find recordings, notably B-sides spanning the majority of Prince’s career, as well as a handful of previously unreleased tracks such as the Revolution-recorded “Power Fantastic” and a live recording of “Nothing Compares 2 U” with Rosie Gaines. Two new songs, “Pink Cashmere” and “Peach”, were chosen as promotional singles to accompany the compilation album.

1993 also marked the year in which Prince changed his stage name to the Love Symbol (see left), which was explained as a combination of the symbols for male (♂) and female (♀).[66] In order to use the symbol in print media, Warner Bros. had to organize a mass mailing of floppy disks with a custom font.[70] Because the symbol had no stated pronunciation, he was often referred to as “The Artist Formerly Known as Prince”, as well as “The Artist”.

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84 Responses to Thursday Open Thread | Prince Week

  1. Prince you are the best in the world love you #1fan Lafayette Love Compton CA 90222 Lafayettelove@gmail.com

    R. I.P you are king Prince of the music industry..
    .love you so much for ever

  2. Guess who came to visit his Mom after he got off work? Josh! And he bought me some Fried Catfish! I love this kid! :)

    • Yahtc says:

      The New Haven Register reports: “A law enforcement source identified the woman to the New Haven Register as Miriam Carey, a 34-year-old dental hygienist.”

  3. Yahtc says:

    What I just heard on TV

    She had been at a White House checkpoint, had exchanged words and then backed out. As she headed away, she saw lots of police cars following her, and so she start speeding away, hit a police car and continue at high speed to the Capitol area.

    Police were given the go ahead to shoot at her.

  4. ABC News source: Female suspect dead at Capitol after report of shots.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=9272736

    WASHINGTON – October 3, 2013 (WPVI) — ABC News, citing a source, said a female was dead at the U.S. Capitol after reports of shots fired on Thursday afternoon.

    ABC News also reports that a lockdown of the Capitol complex, put in place after the report of shots fired, has been lifted.

  5. Yahtc says:

    Take our government out of shutdown. Enough already.

    Shutting down the government makes the nation vulnerable!!!!!

  6. rikyrah says:

    Sleepy Hollow Fans…Good News!!

    ………

    October 3, 2013 10:15 AM PDT
    Fox Renews Sleepy Hollow For Second Season

    by Kimberly Roots

    Sleepy Hollow Season 2Now Sleepy Hollow‘s Ichabod has to get some new clothes — after all, he’s going to be around for at least another year.

    In the fall’s first renewal, Fox on Thursday picked up its new supernatural hit for a 13-episode second season.

    The drama’s premiere episode grabbed a total audience of 10.1 million and scored a 3.5 rating in the demo, making it Fox’s best fall debut since 2006′s Standoff. (Wait, 2006 was seven years ago… and Abbie and Ichabod are on a seven-year quest to take down the Headless Horseman and other agents of darkness… Did anyone else just get the chills?)

    The renewal means Fox will forego a back nine for Sleepy Hollow and stick to its original, cable-like, 13-episode-per-season plan.

    http://tvline.com/2013/10/03/sleepy-hollow-renewed-season-2-fox/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spoilerscastingsscoopsalert

  7. U.S. Capitol Is Locked Down After Reports of Gunfire

    http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/03/reports-of-shooter-outside-capitol/?_r=0

    Witnesses reported hearing gunshots outside the Capitol after 2 p.m., sparking a huge police response and heightened security inside the Capitol, which was already tense during shutdown negotiations. Members not near their own offices were asked to the nearest office, and shelter there.

  8. rikyrah says:

    The Afro as a Natural Expression of Self

    By RUTH LA FERLA

    Published: October 2, 2013

    Dante de Blasio’s towering Afro, a supporting player in his father’s mayoral campaign, riveted attention once more last week when it caught the eye of President Obama. Introducing Bill de Blasio at a Democratic fund-raiser in Midtown, Mr. Obama digressed to point out, “Dante has the same hairdo as I had in 1978. Although I have to confess my Afro was never that good.”

    Nor was it as voluminous, or as apparently devoid of a political charge. As 16-year-old Dante implied in an interview with DNAInfo.com, an online local news source, hair is just hair. “Some people want to take photos and I’m really just happy,” he said. Others want to reach out and touch it, and some did at last week’s fund-raiser, their enthusiastic petting prompting the elder de Blasio to joke that he might have to call security.

    The mayoral candidate was doubtless aware that Dante’s outsize hair placed him in a league with a current generation that has adopted what once was a badge of revolt as an emblem of style’s cutting edge. Resurgent in films and television and the streets, inspired by a galaxy of pop culture idols, the Afro today seems friendly enough, even downright disarming — a kinder, gentler “natural” pretty much shorn of its militancy.

    Images like those of Halle Berry’s tightly coiled halo or Nicki Minaj’s poodly pink Glamfro on the cover of Allure last year have played a part in resurrecting the hallmark style. Hoping to stand apart from her more famous sister, Solange Knowles last year chopped her chemically processed hair to reveal the wedge-shaped Afro that has since become her signature. And the actress Viola Davis showed off her natural curls at the Oscar ceremonies a year ago after walking most of the red carpet season in a wig; Prince poses regally in his Afro on the August issue of V magazine.

    Even the customarily conventional Oprah Winfrey stepped out to front the September issue of O, the Oprah magazine, in a 3.5-pound wig that spanned its cover nearly edge to edge above the cover line: “Let’s talk about HAIR!”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/fashion/the-afro-as-a-natural-expression-of-self.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&

  9. rikyrah says:

    The Charter School Mistake

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ravitch-charters-school-reform-20131001,0,6358122.story

    Portside Date:

    October 1, 2013.

    Author:

    Diane Ravitch.

    Date of Source:

    Tuesday, October 1, 2013.

    Los Angeles Times
    – See more at: http://portside.org/print/2013-10-01/charter-school-mistake#sthash.kWWpRlb5.ZhqyBXUs.dpuf

    Los Angeles has more charter schools than any other school district in the nation, and it’s a very bad idea. Billionaires like privately managed schools. Parents are lured with glittering promises of getting their kids a sure ticket to college. Politicians want to appear to be champions of “school reform” with charters. But charters will not end the poverty at the root of low academic performance or transform our nation’s schools into a high-performing system. The world’s top-performing systems – Finland and Korea, for example – do not have charter schools. They have strong public school programs with well-prepared, experienced teachers and administrators. Charters and that other faux reform, vouchers, transform schooling into a consumer good, in which choice is the highest value. The original purpose of charters, when they first opened in 1990 (and when I was a charter proponent), was to collaborate with public schools, not to compete with them or undermine them. They were supposed to recruit the weakest students, the dropouts, and identify methods to help public schools do a better job with those who had lost interest in schooling. This should be their goal now as well. Instead, the charter industry is aggressive and entrepreneurial. Charters want high test scores, so many purposely enroll minimal numbers of English-language learners and students with disabilities. Some push out students who threaten their test averages. Last year, the federal General Accountability Office issued a report chastising charters for avoiding students with disabilities, and the ACLU is suing charters in New Orleans for that reason. Because they are loosely regulated, charter schools are often neither accountable nor transparent.

    In 2013, the founders of an L.A. charter with 1,200 students were convicted of misappropriating more than $200,000 in public funds. In Oakland, an audit at the highest-performing charter schools in the state found that $3.8 million may have been misused when the founder hired his other businesses to do work for his charters. Charter schools are “public” when it is time to claim public funding, but they have claimed in federal court and before the National Labor Relations Board to be private corporations when their employees seek the protection of state labor laws. In Los Altos, a group of wealthy people opened a boutique charter school for their own children. Parents are asked to donate $5,000 per child each year. Local public school parents consider the charter to be an elite private school, albeit one primarily funded with public dollars. Of course there are honorable, well-run charter schools that provide an excellent education. This newspaper’s editorial board cites independent research that shows students in L.A. charters do better than they would in L.A. Unified schools. But many other studies show that charters in general are no more successful at the task of educating children than public schools if they enroll the same kinds of students.

    As large as the gulf can be between charter cheerleading and charter reality, it doesn’t represent the greatest danger of these schools. They have become the leading edge of a long-cherished ideological crusade by the far right to turn education into a consumer choice rather than a civic obligation. Abandoning public schools for a free-market system eviscerates our basic obligation to support them whether our own children are in public schools, private schools or religious schools, and even if we have no children at all. The campaign to “reform” schools by turning public money over to private corporations is a great distraction from our system’s real problems: Academic performance is low where poverty and racial segregation are high. Sadly, the U.S. leads other advanced nations of the world in the proportion of children living in poverty. And income inequality in our nation is larger than at any point in the last century. We should do what works to strengthen our schools: Provide universal early childhood education (the U.S. ranks 24th among 45 nations, according to the Economist); make sure poor women get good prenatal care so their babies are healthy (we are 131st among 185 nations surveyed, according to the March of Dimes and the United Nations); reduce class size (to fewer than 20 students) in schools where students are struggling; insist that all schools have an excellent curriculum that includes the arts and daily physical education, as well as history, civics, science, mathematics and foreign languages; ensure that the schools attended by poor children have guidance counselors, libraries and librarians, social workers, psychologists, after-school programs and summer programs. Schools should abandon the use of annual standardized tests; we are the only nation that spends billions testing every child every year. We need high standards for those who enter teaching, and we need to trust them as professionals and let them teach and write their own tests to determine what their students have learned and what extra help they need.

    Our nation is heading in a perilous direction, toward privatization of education, which will increase social stratification and racial segregation. Our civic commitment to education for all is eroding. But like police protection, fire protection, public beaches, public parks and public roads, the public schools are a public responsibility, not a consumer good. –

    • Yahtc says:

      What!?

      • Yahtc says:

        WASHINGTON (AP) — Police say the U.S. Capitol has been put on a security lockdown amid reports of possible shots fired outside the building.

        People standing outside the Supreme Court across the street from Congress were hurried into the court building by authorities.

        U.S. Capitol police said they had received reports of gunshots and one police officer has been injured.

      • Yahtc says:

        Comment under NBC article about shooting:

        Roberta1717
        Relax, just a responsible gun owner republican making sure no republican congressmen vote against the tee party.

        http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20805397-us-capitol-placed-on-lockdown#c79417363

      • I read on Twitter 10 to 15 rapid shots were fired and an officer is injured.

      • Yahtc says:

        We need a fully functioning government NEVER in shutdown. Is there enough personnel to protect people outside the capitol where this took place. What has the shutdown done
        as far as protecting citizenry??

        Look at this article to see what I mean about our government should never be allowed to shut down:

        WASHINGTON — The White House says the Federal Emergency Management Agency is recalling some furloughed workers to help prepare for Tropical Storm Karen.

        White House spokesman Jay Carney says President Barack Obama is being updated about the storm. He says Obama directed his team to ensure staffing and resources are available to respond to the storm.

        Hundreds of thousands of federal workers have been furloughed by to the partial government shutdown. It’s unclear how many FEMA workers are being brought back.

        Tropical Storm Karen is the first named tropical system to menace the U.S. this year. A hurricane watch is in effect along the Gulf Coast.

        http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/03/3036190/fema-workers-recalled-from-furlough.html#storylink=cpy

      • Yahtc says:

        Shutting down the government is stupid and makes the nation vulnerable to these types of things!!

        This is so very wrong!!!!!!

  10. Ametia says:

    Sesaon 3 SCANDAL premiers tonight!

  11. Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell caught on hot mic talking shutdown strategy

  12. Yahtc says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8tg19NJKJso

    Published on Jan 29, 2013 by sawuonthe train
    REAL DEAL and yes at the 42st stop ! Crazy to get live entertainment worth missing your train for ! They didn’t sell tickets but could of, what crowd pleasers. ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET ! A fare hike might be convincing knowing you had entertainment like this to look forward too.

  13. rikyrah says:

    Wednesday, October 2, 2013

    Feeling The Heat, Boys?

    Posted by Zandar

    More and more increasingly vulnerable House Republicans are looking for the lifeboats to escape from the sinking ship that is the S.S. GOP Shutdown, and I’m thinking it’s not going to be too much longer before they team up with Democrats to deliver a clean CR back to the Senate, and throw the Tea Party overboard.

    Some House Republicans facing perilous paths to reelection in 2014 are beginning to budge on the government shutdown, calling for the party to compromise and move on from its fight over defunding Obamacare.

    “Republicans fought the good fight. The fight continues but is not advanced by a government shutdown that damages our economy and harms our military,” Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell said in a statement. “The time has come to pass a clean CR to reopen the government.”

    And Pennsylvania Rep. Pat Meehan said: “I came to Washington to fix government, not shut it down. At this point, I believe it’s time for the House to vote for a clean, short-term funding bill to bring the Senate to the table and negotiate a responsible compromise.”

    New Jersey Rep. Jon Runyan said: “Enough is enough. Put a clean (continuing resolution) on the floor and let’s gets on with the business we were sent to do.”

    Of course these are the same House Republicans who voted for the shutdown in the first place and voted 40+ times to defund and repeal Obamacare. They want you to feel sorry for them, and they want your forgiveness. The only thing these opportunists care about is saving their own asses now that it’s quite possible that somebody other than those people might be the ones hurt by the GOP.

    Don’t fall for it, folks. All the Republicans have to go. They own this disaster together, and together, they can be voted out in 2014.

    http://zandarvts.blogspot.com/2013/10/feeling-heat-boys.html

  14. rikyrah says:

    Wednesday, October 2, 2013

    Please Proceed, GOP

    Posted by Zandar

    The shutdown is already hurting the GOP and will continue to do so.

    Republicans in Washington insist they have simply been upholding the wishes of the American people throughout their efforts to block the Affordable Care Act, but a poll released Tuesday tells a very different story.

    In fact, the latest survey from Quinnipiac University contains a ton of bad news for the GOP. For starters, 72 percent of Americans said they are opposed to shutting down the government in an effort to block implemntation of the health care law. A poll last week also showed a wide majority opposed to shutting down the government over Obamacare.

    The federal government shut down for the first time since 1996 on Tuesday morning amid Republican-led efforts to include policy concessions on the health care law in must-pass bills to fund the government.

    While Quinnipiac’s poll showed that the Affordable Care Act remains polarizing — 45 percent support it while 47 percent are opposed — 58 percent said they are opposed to Congress cutting off funding for the law. Seventy-four percent said they disapprove of congressional Republicans while only 17 percent said they approve — their lowest score ever in Quinnipiac’s polling.

    Democrats in Congress came out marginally better in the poll — 32 percent approve while 60 percent disapprove — but the party may enter next year’s midterm elections with an upper-hand over the GOP.

    The poll showed that voters gave the nod to a generic Democrat over a generic Republican ahead of the 2014 congressional races, 43 percent to 34 percent. According to Quinnipiac, that’s the widest advantage enjoyed by Democrats on that particular question.

    Voters will remember in 2014. But will they actually vote? A nine point generic ballot lead for the Dems would be a nightmare for the Republicans, and they know it. Stay tuned. Sanity may break out very, very quickly.

    http://zandarvts.blogspot.com/2013/10/please-proceed-gop.html

  15. rikyrah says:

    TPM Livewire

    Poll Confirms Americans Blame GOP For Shutdown
    Tom Kludt – October 3, 2013, 8:24 AM EDT

    A poll released Thursday provided confirmation of what’s long been anticipated: more Americans blame Republicans — not President Barack Obama and Democrats — for the first government shutdown since 1996.

    According to the latest CBS News poll, 44 percent said they blame the shutdown on Republicans in Congress, compared with 35 percent who said they blame Obama and Democrats. Seventeen percent said they blame both sides.

    Those numbers mirror the findings in a CBS poll last week and are consistent with other pre-shutdown surveys.

    A CNN/ORC International poll released on Monday showed that Americans would be more inclined to blame congressional Republicans for a shutdown than Obama.

    The CBS poll showed that 72 percent of Americans disapprove of shutting down the government over differences related to the Affordable Care Act, comparable to findings in a Quinnipiac University poll on Tuesday.

    But the gambit has plenty of support from the tea party.

    Fifty-seven percent of supporters of the conservative movement said they support a shutdown over the health care law, according to the CBS survey. Republicans were split on the question — 48 percent said they approve a shutdown over the law, while 49 percent said they disapprove. Eighty-six percent of Democrats said they disapprove.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-confirms-americans-blame-gop-for-shutdown

  16. rikyrah says:

    Mastering the art of shiny objects
    By Steve Benen
    Thu Oct 3, 2013 8:36 AM EDT.

    When there’s a major political fight underway, it’s wise to keep your eye on which side of the divide wants to talk about the substance and which side wants to shine a light on shiny objects. As a rule, it’s the latter that’s losing.

    As Day 3 of the government shutdown gets underway, we’re now averaging one sideshow per day, which does not bode well for a protracted crisis. The first spectacle was watching the same Republicans who shut down the government express outrage over the closure of the World War II Memorial in D.C. The second was this.

    CNN’s Dana Bash asked [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] during an October 2 press conference if Democrats would be supportive of a House bill that would reinstate funding to the National Institutes of Health (NIH). That funding, which includes a program that provides access to clinical trials for children with cancer, was halted after House Republicans refused to pass a bill to fund government operations in an effort to derail the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

    Bash then asked, “If you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?” Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) replied to Bash, “Why pit one against the other?” and Reid, who was critical of the Republican idea that Congress could “pick and choose” which parts of the government to fund, added, “Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own.” Reid’s comments referenced his push for a bill that would fund the entire government, including the NIH.

    The right could barely contain its glee. “OMG! Reid hates children with cancer! We knew it!”

    This was unusually stupid for two main reasons. The first, obviously, has to do with context and the point Reid was trying to make. As Dylan Byers explained, “The problem with separating quotes from context is that the effort usually comes back to bite you. Before you know it, you end up being depicted as someone who has to invent controversy because you’re no longer capable of debating on substance.”

    Quite right.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800952-mastering-the-art-of-shiny-objects?lite

  17. rikyrah says:

    Just Where Is The Center of Gravity Here?
    Josh Marshall – October 2, 2013, 2:30 PM EDT

    Byron York and I don’t agree on many things politically. But he’s a rock solid reporter and simply essential at times like these when the real story is buried in the most conservative reaches of the House and Senate GOP caucuses. This article from this morning is a good example. It comes as little surprise that John Boehner could break through virtually all the stalemates if he brought, for instance, a clean ‘continuing resolution’ (aka CR) to the House floor and passed it mainly on Democratic votes.

    Of course, he’d likely be ending his tenure as Speaker, or so the thinking goes. But what York suggests, on talking to Republican members in the House, is that he could probably put a lot of these bills up for votes and still get a majority of his own caucus to vote for them. Perhaps a large majority. In other words, the so-called Hastert Rule isn’t even the hold up.

    Here’s a key part of York’s piece …

    “I’ve been trying to figure this out,” says one House Republican of the current standoff over funding the government. “It seems to me that Boehner could do whatever he wants with Democrats on the floor and still get about 180 or 190 of us. So why doesn’t he do that?”

    The lawmaker was referring to the fact that a large majority of the House’s 232 Republicans, plus a large majority of its 200 Democrats, would likely support a “clean” continuing resolution to fund the government but not defund, delay, or limit Obamacare. If House Speaker John Boehner were to bring such a bill to the floor, it would probably pass with a majority of Republican as well as Democratic votes. But Boehner doesn’t do it.

    York and his interlocutor go on to suggest that there are likely only between 30 and 50 House members who are really committed to the current course – well under a quarter of the House GOP caucus. A high estimate is 80. By process of elimination, they think Boehner just thinks that if he crosses those folks they’ll trigger a Speaker election and unseat him.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/just-where-is-the-center-of-gravity-here

  18. rikyrah says:

    Marlin Stutzman and post-policy nihilism
    By Steve Benen
    Thu Oct 3, 2013 9:03 AM EDT.

    For many of us, to remember the last time Republicans shut down the federal government is to think of then-Speaker Newt Gingrich. Specifically, the far-right Georgian admitted in November 1995 that he closed the government in part because President Clinton hurt his feelings on Air Force One — the president didn’t chat with Gingrich during an overseas flight and then made the Speaker exit at the rear of the plane.

    It was a moment that captured the entire fiasco quite beautifully. A petulant, out-of-control Republican leader shut down the government largely to spite the president who made him feel bad.

    We don’t yet know if a similar moment will come to define this Republican shutdown, but I’d like to nominate this gem as an early contender.

    We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    Go ahead, Republicans, tell us another one about how the shutdown is Democrats’ fault.

    I’ve long argued that congressional Republicans are now defined by a post-policy nihilism, but even I’m surprised an elected GOP member of Congress would say this out loud, on purpose, and on the record.

    The quote is just … perfect. “We’re not going to be disrespected” helps capture the extent to which Republican lawmakers are acting like a street gang, hurting the country deliberately out of some twisted sense of self-serving pride. “We have to get something out of this” reinforces the way in which GOP officials are holding the country hostage, expecting a ransom to be paid.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/10/03/20801266-marlin-stutzman-and-post-policy-nihilism?lite

    • TyrenM says:

      I don’t wanna hear another word about Black people being gangsters. Here’s a 2520 congressman from Redneckville Indiana holding his sack, talking about he’s been disrespected, holding his gun to the country’s head and taking hostages.

  19. rikyrah says:

    Wall Street and Chamber of Commerce Turn on the Tea Party

    Wednesday, October 02, 2013 | Posted by Spandan C at 3:51 PM

    Today, President Obama is meeting with Congressional leadership to tell them face-to-face what he has already said numerous times: you don’t get to exact a ransom for doing your job, keeping the government open and paying America’s bills. But that meeting follows another meeting the president had today – with CEOs of major financial institutions. And the captains of industry were none-too-pleased with the insanity their boys in Congress are displaying.

    Shortly before the meeting Wednesday, JPMorgan Chase Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon said he “would love to see a resolution” to the shutdown. Afterward, Lloyd Blankfein, the head of Goldman Sachs, warned about the consequences of a failure to resolve the crisis. “We shouldn’t use the threat of causing the U.S. to fail on its obligations to repay its debt as a cudgel,” he told reporters outside the White House.

    Bankers aren’t the only ones putting the squeeze on their pet project (sometimes known as Congressional Republicans). Today, the Chamber of Commerce sent House Republicans a letter telling them to get their sh.. act together.

    But the Chamber and Wall Street created this monster. Big business and big banks – with money disclosed and undisclosed – funded the Tea Party insurgency. No one – not even the Tea Party itself – is as responsible for the extremist influence that is now controlling the Republican as Wall Street and the Chamber. This is their monster. They need to fix it.

    The Republican party has always been the party of big business. But never before in modern history have they been so beholden to extremists. In their zeal to try to beat Obama (which they utterly failed at), the Republican party and its benefactors backed candidates who weren’t simply doing Wall Street’s bidding but were true believers in a vision of America that didn’t just go back on health care and financial regulations but on women’s rights, racial equality, gay rights and everything else the country was moving away from. They did it because they thought these true believers would do their bidding regardless of what else they were doing. They thought that hatred of Obama would drive them to do just that

    http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/10/wall-street-and-chamber-of-commerce.html

  20. rikyrah says:

    ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jon Karl spent several minutes repeatedly asking Jay Carney variations on the question of apportioning blame for the government shutdown to President Obama.

    “Does the President bear any responsibility whatsoever for what’s going on, for this mess?” Karl began.

    “Well, I’m not sure what you mean,” Carney replied. “I mean, the President..”

    “Does he have any blame for the government shutdown? Any at all?” Karl repeated.

    Carney replied, “Look, the President is President of the United States and it is his responsibility to try to work with Congress in a spirit of compromise…”

    “And that hasn’t…” Karl began.

    “Well, he’s… look, has he or has he not put forward a compromise budget proposal?” Carney asked. “The answer is yes.”

    “But does he bear any responsibility?” Karl persisted. “It’s a simple question. Does he bear any responsibility for this mess?”

    “He certainly did not vote to shut the government down,” Carney answered. “And if that’s what you’re asking, no, he did not vote to shut the government down. The Republicans did.”

    “No, I’m asking if he bears any responsibility,” Karl repeated.

    “Jon, he did not… Republicans in Congress chose to shut the government down,” Carney said. “The option to keep it open was available to them. It’s an option that a majority of the House of Representatives supports, a bipartisan majority…”
    \

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/carney-to-jon-karl-you-can-do-an-essay-on-obamas-share-of-blame-for-shutdown/#disqus_thread

    But hasn’t the President failed to create an environment where this stuff doesn’t happen?” Karl asked, adding “I mean, I’m asking.”

    “No. He’s had multiple meetings and dinners…” Carney began.

    “So he’s done nothing wrong in all of this?” Karl asked. “This is all the Republicans’ doing on their own, that the President…”

    With impatient amusement, Carney said, “Well, Jon, you can do an essay, or decide for yourself, and make those judgments. What I’m telling you is that this year, the President, in a very public way, reported on by all of you, reached out to Republicans and offered to find common ground on budget issues — and didn’t just talk about it; put…”

    “But…” Karl said.

    “Hold on,” Carney continued, ”put those ideas in a concrete budget, causing a lot of consternation in his own party, because some of the choices he made and some of the decisions he was willing to embrace were not popular among all Democrats, or Democrat support groups. But he was willing to do it because he knew that that’s what it would take to reach a compromise with Republicans who are also willing to compromise. And he had very good conversations with a number of Republican senators and members of Congress. He had Paul Ryan in here at one point during that process.”

    “What we haven’t seen, unfortunately, is a commensurate willingness by the Republicans to put on paper a proposal that represents a compromise, that moves off their insistence that — represented by the Ryan budget.,” Carney added. “But the President is open to doing that. He’s open to having those conversations.”

  21. rikyrah says:

    aleth

    Damn so Reagan is better than Obama per white Chris Matthews because he ended the Cold War. Colbert no push back. They don’t fear Obama these right wingers I wonder why? Maybe y’all white folks enabled it. Damn interesting times… Accidentally watch tv. Interesting to see romanticized tip oneil and Reagan history with appaulse on liberal shows. I am convinced Obamas success kills these people to the debt of their soul. Chris, colbert no matter what you say his accomplishment outweighs all since Lincoln. Funny how he try to link Obama to carter😃😃😃😃😃😀these people need to control their ODS. I knew I hated these jerks for a reason. They complain about Chris and get him on the show only to do ablow job. Only place to complain is before a black man but not in his face. When the black shows them the strong arm they say he is mean, his tone, his weak… Fuck them all. I am ranting now because that was a painful scene to see on Colbert or whatever it’s called. Asswipes

    Obama saw the GOP game plan miles away. He beat them to the punch.
    A part of the shut down is to taint Obama in the history book. I have no doubt they will try for a default and honestly with the hate I have seen displayed… Go ahead and burn us to the ground.

  22. rikyrah says:

    Having a ‘grand’ old time
    By Steve Benen

    Thu Oct 3, 2013 8:00 AM EDT.

    A few things about House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) have become clear in recent weeks. We’ve learned, for example, that he’ll take orders from far-right extremists in his caucus. We’ve also learned he’s willing to shut the federal government down in the hopes of taking away health care benefits from millions of Americans.

    What’s been far less clear is where, exactly, the flailing House Speaker intends to go with all of this. Does he have an end-game in mind? Is there any strategy at all?

    Following up on a segment from last night’s show, the answer is: maybe. Robert Costa reported late yesterday, Boehner apparently has a “grand” idea.

    House Republicans tell me Speaker John Boehner wants to craft a “grand bargain” on fiscal issues as part of the debt-limit deliberations, and during a series of meetings on Wednesday, he urged colleagues to stick with him.

    The revelation came quietly. Boehner called groups of members to his Capitol office all day, taking their temperature on the shutdown and the debt limit. It became clear, members say, that Boehner’s chief goal is conference unity as the debt limit nears, and he’s looking at potentially blending a government-spending deal and debt-limit agreement into a larger budget package.

    “It’s the return of the grand bargain,” says one House Republican, who requested anonymity to speak freely.

    As part of this process, Boehner has reportedly recruited leading Republican committee chairs, Paul Ryan and Dave Camp, to help persuade GOP lawmakers (who don’t seem especially interested in what the Speaker has to say).

    Let’s pause to note the significance of this microcosm: there are budget discussions underway behind closed doors, with conservative Republicans hoping to reach an agreement with extremely conservative Republicans.

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800539-having-a-grand-old-time?lite

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  24. Yahtc says:

    “The 2013 African American Literary Awards celebrates black authors in NYC”

    http://rollingout.com/books/the-2013-african-american-literary-awards-celebrates-black-authors-in-nyc/#_

    The 2013 African American Literary Awards once again gave black authors and publishers of African American content a platform to celebrate each other. Held on a breezy Manhattan night at Landmark On the Park in Central Park West, the show was hosted by motivational speaker/personality C.J. Miller and best-selling author Reshonda Tate-Billingsley.

    Notable winners included Walter Mosely, Rev. Run and Tyrese Gibson, as well as Selena James and Adeola Saul (representatives of Kensington Publishing), and teen authors Stone Erickson (who’s Black Angel won the Best Science Fiction award) and When I Decided To D.R.E.A.M. Big author Tori Turner.

  25. Yahtc says:

    “Toward Creating Political Power”

    http://baystatebanner.com/news/2013/oct/02/toward-creating-political-power/

    Excerpt:

    From the African American perspective, the results of last week’s preliminary election for mayor of Boston fell far short of that standard. None of the six minority candidates were able to garner enough votes to win one of the two seats to compete in the final election. And the minority turnout to the polls was disappointing.

  26. Yahtc says:

    Good Morning Everybody!

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