Tuesday Open Thread | Foreigner Week

Foreigner Week continues with this classic, and my all time favorite from the band.

Beginnings and peak

Since its inception, Foreigner has been led by English musician Mick Jones (former member of Nero and the Gladiators, Johnny Hallyday’s band, Spooky Tooth and The Leslie West Band). After the collapse of the Leslie West Band in 1976, Jones found himself stranded in New York City; West’s manager, Bud Prager, encouraged Jones to continue his songwriting and rehearse a band of his own in some space Prager had near his New York office.
Jones got together with New York keyboardist Al Greenwood (who had just played with former Flash members Colin Carter and Mike Hough in a group called Storm), drummer Stan Williams and Louisiana bassist Jay Davis (later with Rod Stewart) and began jamming. Another friend, Stories singer Ian Lloyd, was brought in to sing but Jones decided the chemistry was not quite right and retained only Greenwood as he renewed his search for players. During a session for Ian Lloyd’s album, Jones met up with transplanted Englishman and ex-King Crimson member Ian McDonald and another session for Ian Hunter unearthed another fellow Brit in drummer Dennis Elliott. But after auditioning about forty or fifty singers, the right vocalist was becoming harder to come by until Jones dragged out an old Black Sheep album given to him backstage at a Spooky Tooth concert a few years prior by that group’s lead singer, Lou Gramm. Jones put in a call to Gramm, who was back in his hometown of Rochester, New York after Black Sheep’s break-up, and sent him a plane ticket to New York City. Gramm proved to be the missing piece of the puzzle and Brooklyn, New York bassist Ed Gagliardi completed the new sextet.

A name, “Trigger”, was tentatively agreed to and was the name that appeared on their demo tape, but it was passed on by all the record companies it was delivered to. John Kalodner, a former journalist and radio programmer who was working in A&R at Atlantic Records, happened to spot a tape on Atlantic president Jerry L. Greenberg’s desk with the Trigger identification on it. Kalodner had just been to hear an outfit called Trigger and realized that this was not the same band. He convinced Greenberg that at least one of the songs on the tape could be a big hit and to look into signing this group immediately. Because the Trigger name was already taken, Jones came up with the Foreigner moniker from the fact that no matter what country they were in, three would be foreigners, because he, McDonald and Elliott were English, while Gramm, Greenwood and Gagliardi were American.

In November 1976, after six months of rehearsals, the newly named Foreigner started recording their debut album with producers John Sinclair and Gary Lyons at The Hit Factory but switched to Atlantic Recording Studios where they finished recording the basic tracks and completed the overdubs. The first attempt at mixing the album was done at Sarm Studios, London. But, because of the band’s dissatisfaction with the results, the album was re-mixed back at Atlantic by Mick Jones, Ian McDonald and Jimmy Douglass. Bud Prager signed on as the group’s manager, a role he would continue in for the next 17 years.

The band’s debut, Foreigner, was released in March 1977 and sold more than four million copies in the United States, staying in the Top 20 for a year with such hits as “Feels Like the First Time”, “Cold as Ice” and “Long, Long Way from Home”.

Foreigner – I Want to Know What Love Is





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88 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread | Foreigner Week

  1. rikyrah says:


    Stephen Miller designed the plan to snatch migrant children from their parents. The NYT now won’t run his on the record statements because it makes him “uncomfortable”.

    It’s more important to NYT to placate white supremacists than to speak the truth about the abuse of children.

  2. rikyrah says:

    So, Bill Nelson showed up at a facility in Florida and was DENIED ENTRY?!?

    DA PHUQ?

    • rikyrah says:

      Melissa McEwan Retweeted
      Senator Bill Nelson ‏@SenBillNelson 2 hours ago

      HHS just blocked us from entering its facility in Homestead, Florida to check on the welfare of the children being held here. They are obviously hiding something, and we are going to get to the bottom of this.

      The company running this facility told us we would be welcomed to tour the facility. HHS then denied us entry and said that they need “two weeks notice” to allow us inside. That’s ridiculous and it’s clear this administration is hiding something.

      The administration’s action today to deny us access to their Homestead, Florida facility where they are holding 1,000 migrant children is against EVERYTHING that we as a country stand for. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

  3. rikyrah says:

    Phil Mattingly @ Phil_Mattingly
    should note several members and staffers have said their offices are being inundated w/ constituent calls re: the family separation issue – at a level they haven’t seen since probably health care, one aide said

  4. We’re going see little children dying from the heat if this madness doesn’t stop now. Do you realize what the temps will be in mid July in Texas? Are they trying to kill these kids? #KeepFamiliesTogether

  5. rikyrah says:

    Trump Says Children Are Lying

    Donald Trump on Tuesday said that the immigrant children being held at detention facilities in the United States are being trained to lie in order to gain unlawful entry into the country.

    Trump said that immigrant children were coached to make false statements about the reasons they are fleeing their home countries to gain entrance to the United States.
    “They tell these people exactly what to say,” Trump alleged. “They say, ‘Say the following.’ They write it down. ‘I am being harmed in my country. My country is extremely dangerous. I fear for my life.’”

    Trump then said that such statements were “given to them by lawyers who are waiting for them to come up” to the United States.
    Finally, Trump said that refugees fleeing violence in their home countries were simply lying about the reasons for wanting to come to the United States.


  6. rikyrah says:

    Dems haven’t carried more than 52% of white working class women since 1992, so clearly the solution is to spend more time figuring out how to woo them as opposed to focusing on ensuring that reliable Dems—BLACK PEOPLE—can actually exercise their right to vote.

    🙄 pic.twitter.com/Q7DueCTcCP

    — Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) June 19, 2018

  7. rikyrah says:

    And? So?

    Confirmed — Trump Jr. withdrew from a George P. Bush fundraiser because of the family’s criticism of his father. He cautioned George P. that he wouldn’t publicly support him if it continued — the tweet from Jeb about the separation of families was the last straw, I’m told.

    — Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) June 19, 2018

    • vitaminlover says:

      Most people they support lose. Who wants that ominous cloud looming over their campaign?

  8. rikyrah says:

    A lot of you have asked where the girls and younger children are held. The former Walmart detention facility houses boys 10-17. Girls and younger children are held at separate facilities. Unfortunately, some are as far away as Miami and New York. #wherearethegirls

    — Rep. Mark Pocan (@repmarkpocan) June 18, 2018

  9. rikyrah says:

    “They’re fake,” says @POTUS of news media. “They are helping the smugglers, these traffickers.”— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) June 19, 2018

  10. They have a plan for the negros. You can believe it. They’re coming for us. Putting kids in cages, feeding them apples and water and no human rights council. They’re planning ISH. It’s their last attempt to save white supremacy. Nothing is beneath them.


  11. Ametia says:


  12. rikyrah says:

    Tony Schwartz @ tonyschwartz
    Trump is a prisoner of his own pathology and so are we. It would be in his interest to back down on separating parents and kids but he can’t admit to a mistake and he can’t tolerate being wrong. This is about mental illness not policy.

    • vitaminlover says:

      I so enjoyed watching that. He can be my daughter’s husband. That would be fine. Chadwick is sooooooooo classy! He hsn’t walked down any aisle yet.

  13. rikyrah says:

    “Trump’s usual ability to bury a negative story under confusing messaging and chaotic news doesn’t seem to be working the same way it has in the past.” https://t.co/FUJxWc0mzb

    — Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) June 19, 2018

    The simplicity of the evil cuts through the bullshyt.
    People understand CHILDREN IN CAGES.

  14. rikyrah says:

    I absolutely relate.

    A time of hatred

    You know, I thought I hated former president George W. Bush. I remember cringing and raging at every new action of his.

    But I now realize I’ve never really known hate.

    Hate has always been an abstraction for me. In our culture we say we hate this or that, without knowing the full implications of our words.

    I know a love which sustains and lifts me. I feel it for my wife, my family, my friends. I feel it for the people I encounter and help.

    And now, conversely, I know the true meaning of hatred. It is no longer an abstraction. It is no longer something you just say.

    This is a pure hatred. I see no redeeming qualities in those I hate, because they have expunged all humanity from themselves. It’s the hatred I would have felt for Nazis in 1945. It’s a hatred which is visceral, deep, wounding.

    • Liza says:

      I hated George Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Actually, it was Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton etc…

      The difference there being that they were doing this to a country that was far away, across an ocean, falsely blamed for 9/11. People couldn’t see what was happening and most didn’t actually care, they believed the Iraqi people deserved it.

      I felt the hate back then. And I feel it now, even more.

      I’ve had this thought lately, the past few days. Back in the 1990’s my mother was in a nursing home in Jacksonville. The first time I saw her in the nursing home there had been an incident with her. People with Alzheimer’s who are suddenly institutionalized often have incidents. So, I’m worried, approaching staff, looking for someone who knew something.

      I remember an older black woman, probably in her late 50s. She seemed to be an administrator of some sort. It’s her eyes that I remember, she looked so hard, she never smiled, she just looked hard. I was afraid to talk to her. But she saw me and her look changed for just a moment. She got someone to help me.

      I saw something in the mirror recently. I have that look. I’m her now. We perhaps arrived here on different paths, but I have that look.

  15. rikyrah says:

    If you need a primer on what’s happening, and are faced with
    Dolt45’ers or Purity Leftists, here you go:

    1. NO President has done this. Not in modern times. Not Obama. Not Shrub.Not Clinton.Not Bush the Elder. Not Reagan. Not. Carter. You get my point.
    2. THIS is a POLICY. Not a LAW. A POLICY.
    3. This is a POLICY created by Dolt45, first floated by ‘ Ain’t Shyt’ Kelly, when he was at DHS
    4. This doesn’t just cover people crossing ‘ illegally.’ – Even if it did, it would still be pure evil.
    5. This policy is ALSO being applied to those WHO SEEK ASYLUM. – Which is a LEGAL Process.
    6. At the points of entry where folks would seek Asylum – THEY HAVE NOW CLOSED THEM, thus FORCING folks to try and enter the United States illegally.
    7. Entering the United States illegally is a MISDEMEANOR. People are losing their children over a MISDEMEANOR.
    8. They have no provable process as to HOW they are keeping track of parent and child.
    10. EVEN IF, you have family in the United States that would be willing to look after your child – THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL NOT RELEASE THE CHILDREN TO YOUR FAMILY.
    11. They are NOT keeping SIBLINGS TOGETHER.

    These are the bullet points of this pure unadulterated evil. If you have anymore, please add.


  17. rikyrah says:

    This IS the bottom line:
    From Kay at BJ

    The basic idea is this- if you take a child from their legal custodian, parent, relative, other state, whoever, for any reason, that child is now YOURS. The child’s welfare is wholly your responsibility. The federal government took them from their “natural” guardians (their parents and families) so the federal government is now responsible for their well-being and safety.

    The federal government isn’t set up to care for thousands of children. There’s no mechanism and process for them to do this.

    It is fundamentally different to hold the children with their parents, because then the children remain the responsibility of their parents. By taking the children they have now stepped into the shoes of the parents.

    All they saw was the chance for punishment. They didn’t see the DUTY that comes with it. It’s absolute. Those kids belong to HHS and they belong to HHS until the duty of care is transferred back to their parents or to another government entity (a state foster care system).

    You can tell Sessions doesn’t get it. He was speaking last night of their parents- what their parents did or didn’t do. None of that matters the moment you take them from their parents. The question then becomes “who is the custodian while the children are in the US?” and the answer is “the Trump Administration”. It has to be. If they’re not in their parents custody and care and they’re not in the custody and care of a county or state – then they’re in the custody and care of the federal government. They own every single thing that happens to each of them now.

  18. Ametia says:

    Word of the Day : June 19, 2018

    verb KWAIL

    1 : to give way : falter

    2 : to recoil in dread or terror : cower


  19. rikyrah says:

    What Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen considers ‘offensive’
    06/19/18 08:40 AM
    By Steve Benen


    But perhaps the most important exchange from the briefing was this back and forth between a reporter and the cabinet secretary:

    Q: Are you intending for this to play out as it is playing out? Are you intending for parents to be separated from children? Are you intending to send a message?

    NIELSEN: I find that offensive. No. Because why would I ever create a policy that purposely does that?

    Q: Perhaps as a deterrence?

    NIELSEN: No.

    And this gets to one of the more glaring political problems facing this White House: Trump and his team can’t seem to keep their stories straight.

    On the one hand, the Homeland Security secretary finds it “offensive” to even be asked whether the administration is trying to deter border crossings by separating children from their parents. On the other hand, Nielsen’s colleagues in the administration are on record saying the exact opposite.

    White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was also Nielsen’s predecessor at DHS, said last year he was considering – not because of a law, but as part of a deliberate choice – separating children from their families “in order to deter” illegal border crossings. Last month, Kelly, a close Nielsen ally, told NPR, “[A] big name of the game is deterrence. [Family separation] could be a tough deterrent – would be a tough deterrent.”

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions, meanwhile, an ardent proponent of the family-separation policy, has made similar comments.

    What we’re left with is a Homeland Security secretary who was asked about her own administration’s rationale, and who rejected the question as “offensive.”

    If Nielsen is offended by the Trump White House’s perspective, maybe she’s in the wrong job?

  20. rikyrah says:

    How an immigrant’s concern for kids drew a nation’s eyes to Flint

    Rachel Maddow tells the story of how first-generation immigrant Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha persisted in trying to raise the alarm about increasing levels of lead in the blood of children in Flint, Michigan until the crisis was finally taken seriously.

  21. rikyrah says:

    Trump family separation policy becomes focus of national outrage

    Rep. Beto O’Rourke talks with Rachel Maddow about a Father’s Day protest march he organized at the site of Trump’s “tent city” camp for migrant kids in Tornillo, Texas, and the plight of migrant families being persecuted by the Trump administration.

  22. rikyrah says:

    New audio gives voice to migrant kids in U.S. detention center

    Ginger Thompson, senior reporter for ProPublica, talks with Rachel Maddow about newly published audio from inside a migrant child detention center, which Thompson received from a civil rights attorney who obtained it from a client.

  23. rikyrah says:

    Trump accelerates rate of taking migrant kids from parents

    Rachel Maddow reports on the growing outrage over the Donald Trump administration’s policy of forcibly removing children from their parents when they seek asylum in The United States, and notes that the rate at which children are being removed and placed in camps increased from an average of 43 last month to 67 as of this month.

  24. rikyrah says:

    And, in between taking children from their parents…

    they are back trying to take away your healthcare.

    A coalition of conservative groups releases an outline of their Obamacare repeal plan. Presser comes tomorrow.

    It tracks with Graham-Cassidy as a grant program. Ends essential health benefits, age ratio and minimum loss ratio. pic.twitter.com/zOqLB3amTd

    — Alex Ruoff (@Alexruoff) June 19, 2018

  25. rikyrah says:

    It’s already their fault, Eugene.

    If you vote GOP in November, you support snatching children from their parents and confining them in cages. It won’t just be Trump’s fault, it will be yours.

    — Eugene Robinson (@Eugene_Robinson) June 18, 2018

  26. rikyrah says:

    Approximately 2,000 children have been ripped from their relatives at the border https://t.co/3panAFeTzC

    An early look at Tuesday’s front… pic.twitter.com/IY17vJIxSR

    — New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) June 19, 2018

  27. rikyrah says:

    In a media universe consumed by the outrage of children torn from their parents, the FORBES Magazine reporting of the flat-out scandalous financial deeds of Commerce Sec. Ross is going to slip under the radar. It shouldn’t. https://t.co/RF0DBZR72N

    — Jeff Greenfield (@greenfield64) June 18, 2018

  28. rikyrah says:

    1. Learn how propaganda works and how he weaponizes words
    2. Focus on the fact that democracy is under attack. This is a crisis
    3. Stop letting him control every news cycle
    4. Don’t spread his lies
    Four ways to counteract Trump’s lies. FrameLab podcast: https://t.co/tI9pAGnLCi

    — George Lakoff (@GeorgeLakoff) June 18, 2018

  29. rikyrah says:

    Agree @JillWineBanks. And the cases are intertwined. Public evidence shows a conspiracy: (1) to defraud the U.S. by impeding lawful work of FEC, DOJ, Treasury & State Depts; (2) to obstruct justice; (3) make false statements to Cong & fed’l agencies; & (4) to evade sanctions. https://t.co/einiLSMsOz

    — Elizabeth de la Vega (@Delavegalaw) June 19, 2018

  30. rikyrah says:

    (THREAD) Donald Trump and Secretary Nielsen are LYING about how our justice system works to justify tearing impoverished kids from their parents at the border. In this thread, a longtime criminal attorney explains how the system REALLY works. I hope you’ll read and retweet this. pic.twitter.com/HpKinNiGpT

    — Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) June 18, 2018

  31. rikyrah says:


    Seconded. All who treated his bigotry as a joke or a ratings boost, who dismissed those who warned of autocracy as “alarmists” — you helped sanction this atrocity.

    There are children who lost their parents in part because of you.

    Trump was clear who he was. Complicity kills.

    https://t.co/GyN91WJ0vI— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) June 16, 2018

  32. rikyrah says:


    Ted Lieu
    Maxine Waters

    Dear @SecNielsen: I don’t give a shit if you apologize. We just need you to reverse your policy of ripping kids away from parents.

    Also, how did you go from saying such a policy doesn’t exist to now saying you won’t apologize for it? Why all the lies from Homeland Security? https://t.co/jv6YFAKGNU

    — Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) June 18, 2018

  33. rikyrah says:

    They’re not showing the girls and babies for a reason. They’re perpetuating the myth of the boys who will grow up to be “violent gang members.”

    Everything they do is racist. Everything they do is evil.

    — Celia (@_celia_bedelia_) June 18, 2018

  34. rikyrah says:

    Jeff Sessions to Laura Ingraham: Comparisons to Nazis aren’t fair because “in Nazi Germany they were keeping the Jews from leaving”
    Sessions: “It’s a real exaggeration, of course. In Nazi Germany, they were keeping the Jews from leaving the country”

    June 18, 2018 11:15 PM EDT

  35. rikyrah says:

    In case you forget..
    This began with Ain’t Shyt Kelly 😠


  36. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄😄 😄

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