Open Thread | So, About That Boat Strike

Once again, to the Military Brass:
1. DO YOU SEE HOW QUICK THEY WILL THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS AND DESTROY YOUR CAREER?
2. THIS IS WHY YOU DON’T FOLLOW ILLEGAL ORDERS.

Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) posted at 8:57 AM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
NEW: Admiral Frank Bradley arrives on Capitol Hill for a classified briefing on the “double tap” boat strike, where US forces hit a target once, then hit survivors and vessels again as they tried to flee.

He’s the one Trump and Hegseth are trying to throw under the bus to save their own asses.
https://t.co/KYJfx0BQ3Q
(https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1996594781930303814?t=roWjD_uUprDqnmAuGx8irw&s=03)

Anthony Michael Kreis (@AnthonyMKreis) posted at 7:08 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Admiral Bradley took 41 minutes to decide whether to kill civilians hanging onto a disabled vessel.

A crime against humanity.

Exclusive: Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers https://t.co/yIQhtViOke
(https://x.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1996748600294932582?t=V8ELW22obKGtyK9QRLV1ow&s=03)

Greg Sargent (@GregTSargent) posted at 1:52 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
NEWS –> Tons of fresh detail on what video of strike shows: Rep Adam Smith says two men sitting on capsized boat, drugs aren’t visible. Rationale officials gave for killing is they *may* have been able to keep trafficking.

“It’s bad,” Smith says.

Read:
https://t.co/1KAEHXVqzA
(https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/1996669060080074829?t=rAG6GfkIClZQpNq3WpFCKw&s=03)

Greg Sargent (@GregTSargent) posted at 2:04 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
“It looks like two classically shipwrecked people,” Rep Adam Smith told me, calling it “highly questionable decision that these two people on that obviously incapacitated vessel were still in any kind of fight.”

Details on what the video revealed here:

https://t.co/1KAEHXVqzA https://t.co/2GzOVCMGBs
(https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/1996672036811255947?t=PjMoabwO1ybeiG9eI7S5Hg&s=03)

Greg Sargent (@GregTSargent) posted at 2:12 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Hegseth’s “fog of war” claim is nonsense, if this account of what video shows is correct: The two men were visible.

Tom Cotton’s claims also in doubt: Rep Smith says drugs not visible. The decision that the men were still in the fight looks very shaky:

https://t.co/1KAEHXVqzA https://t.co/ZfnxrOsZ7k
(https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/1996674006016049583?t=3i0oc-En5tTU06tuncUmiQ&s=03)

Greg Sargent (@GregTSargent) posted at 2:20 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Lawmakers pressed officials on releasing video, and the officials said it isn’t their call. And they have no recording of radio traffic from the men, Rep Smith says.

Video + legal memo on broader strikes should be released. This should increase pressure:

https://t.co/1KAEHXVqzA https://t.co/u8Yw25xSbV
(https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/1996675978194526441?t=0HhaQBTdsgVQ5qJzAfrEsQ&s=03)

BMB Empower Network (@BmbEmpower) posted at 0:49 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:

#PeteHegseth confronted Admiral Alvin Holsey regarding the admiral’s refusal to execute fishing boat attacks in the #Caribbean.

Admiral Holsey voiced his worries about potential civilian casualties. In response, Hegseth reminded the admiral of his sworn obligations. Admiral Holsey made it clear to Hegseth that he would not follow an unlawful order after dedicating forty years to the #USNavy.

In reaction to the admiral’s position, Hegseth threatened to remove Holsey from his command. The discussion escalated and was abruptly concluded.

Shortly after, within fifteen minutes, Pete Hegseth received a resignation letter from Admiral Alvin Holsey.

Recently, members of #Congress have approached Admiral Holsey, asking him to provide testimony regarding the circumstances of his resignation.

Admiral Holsey possesses evidence. He has agreed to testify.

Admiral Holsey Naval Aviator’s Badge:
Navy Distinguished Service Medal
Defense Superior Service Medal
Legion of Meritwith four award stars
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal with award star
Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with three award stars
Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal
Joint Meritorious Unit Award
Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation
Navy E Ribbon, 1st award
National Defense Service Medal with bronze service star
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Inherent Resolve Campaign Medal
Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
Armed Forces Service Medal
Navy Sea Service Deployment Ribbon with three bronze service stars
Navy Pistol Marksmanship Ribbon
Command at Sea insignia
Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
https://t.co/YsC4FDfGTH
(https://x.com/BmbEmpower/status/1996653101865177213?t=TF8n0CuzkHtV0SaHcYh9qg&s=03)


He knew which way was up and wasn’t about to let them put the blame for ILLEGAL ORDERS ON HIM.

Charles Micheaux (@CharlesMicheaux) posted at 6:23 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
“I cannot in good conscience, authorize or execute orders that risk innocent lives and compromise the principles I swore to.”–Admiral Alvin Holsey ✨

Duty.
Honor.
Country.
(https://x.com/CharlesMicheaux/status/1996737102168363308?t=iFK9uGPsAg_gJaBlP2J5jg&s=03)

Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) posted at 9:27 AM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:

BREAKING: US Senator Jeff Merkley, moments ago:

“If this was a legal action of war, then it would be a war crime. If it was not, it was a murder. In either case, again, the right way to find out if there are drugs onboard a boat, is you stop the boat, you board it, you investigate it and in the process you learn about the strategies involved which gives you information to dismantle a broad operation.”
https://t.co/rghKip4LSc
(https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1996602312215740874?t=8tyLTRJTomKg9Gaf73rFSA&s=03)

Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) posted at 9:59 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
.@SenDuckworth, a retired U.S. Army pilot, says new CNN reporting that the admiral overseeing the secondary strike on a boat on September 2 briefed lawmakers that the survivors did not radio for backup “tells you the Defense Department has been lying to everybody” for months. https://t.co/64K9dbUp4y
(https://x.com/AC360/status/1996791534365155609?t=U-jRF-_vUDhA6ES-flQyBw&s=03)

Deuce A. Rooni (@deucearooni) posted at 2:18 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Drugs or no drugs, drug trafficking is not a capital crime. Arrest them. Give them their day in court. Proceed from there. Extrajudicial killing is not the answer. On our best day, we struggle to operate from the moral high ground. This is disastrous.
(https://x.com/deucearooni/status/1996675434264908217?t=f7pKBFlwjJrYf__xx40NBA&s=03)

Acyn (@Acyn) posted at 9:22 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Koh: This is not about justice. This is about power. This is about a Secretary of Defense so drunk off alpha male bullshit that he’s willing to take lives to get off on that power. https://t.co/8a0zlgOEBd
(https://x.com/Acyn/status/1996782107864216028?t=7nx4yVrbWs_LZCV1-xictQ&s=03)

Acyn (@Acyn) posted at 9:29 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Hall: He’s a total buffoon. And it begs the question, how is he still in this role?

Blow: These people are not qualified for these jobs, but they still get to hold them. That is the hypocrisy of the entire anti-woke Republican position. And you guys can never defend that. You put person after person in these jobs who do not deserve to be there. They’re failures.
https://t.co/pUwnXhypng
(https://x.com/Acyn/status/1996783988560875930?t=nuEPrVLo5YubIz4FNKEIRg&s=03)

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) posted at 10:15 AM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
The video sounds quite bad. If you have two injured people on a disabled boat, even if you accept the premise behind the initial strikes (which I do not), it is wrong to just straight-up kill them.

Remember, the U.S. was nearby and could have *easily* just arrested them.
(https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1996614314434630098?t=rTKXZ-1xN6Ju3TsjC0tb3A&s=03)

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) posted at 1:23 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Himes: “What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I’ve seen in my time in public service … any American who sees the video that I saw will see the US military attacking shipwrecked sailors.” https://t.co/vkOZL6flIC
(https://x.com/atrupar/status/1996661724930257114?t=T9dPdGxrRcQ57GgN60bgRQ&s=03)

Julian E. Barnes (@julianbarnes) posted at 4:46 PM on Wed, Dec 03, 2025:
New: Before the strike, Hegseth approved various JSOC plans and scenarios for the first Caribbean boat strike that were approved by Hegseth. @helenecooper @charlie_savage and co. https://t.co/od52y4i0lv
(https://x.com/julianbarnes/status/1996350344054571299?t=oePkolh33fQ8im9WNaNj6A&s=03)

Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) posted at 6:48 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
🚨🚨🚨This collapses the one ‘argument’ Hegseth had against it being war crime:

“Two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat .. DID NOT APPEAR TO HAVE RADIO OR OTHER COMMUNICATIONS DEVICES, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers.”

1/ https://t.co/IDw5iceJZT
(https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/1996743412868108721?t=qGYjYg8yaC2dUfmHGZ1Mqw&s=03)
Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) posted at 6:53 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
2/ Secretary Hegseth bears ultimate responsibility as the designated Target Engagement Authority.

And recall how many times he has said Admiral Bradley acted within the authority Hegseth gave him, and that Bradley made “the correct” decision.

https://t.co/bgJZScSHg4
(https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/1996744679165960479?t=GyhPACD_9cVuu_MTg30onA&s=03)
Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) posted at 6:57 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
3/ It looks like DoD officials previously made false statements to Congress:

“As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets https://t.co/3xHFxAoly7
(https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/1996745782347591864?t=qL-0jagwTHt4D5Koa3K36g&s=03)

Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) posted at 8:59 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
4/ More from NYT:

“But the video did not show any radios or satellite phones, according to the people familiar with the briefings, and a surveillance plane apparently did not spot any nearby boat.”

https://t.co/symeCajVNE
(https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/1996776456740106270?t=N6mM6v4tHIdOD23409X7kQ&s=03)

Acyn (@Acyn) posted at 8:35 PM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
Collins: CNN has exclusive reporting tonight from sources with direct knowledge of those briefings that the admiral told them that the two survivors in the water did not appear to have radio or other communications devices. https://t.co/DFLerUOL8O
(https://x.com/Acyn/status/1996770350777126975?t=rmcmPsn5aIMbC_Qk-ERKdQ&s=03)

AND, why the strikes in the first place?

Mike Levin (@MikeLevin) posted at 8:32 AM on Thu, Dec 04, 2025:
The Trump Administration says its recent military strikes near Venezuela are about stopping drug traffickers, but what’s really driving this?

Reporting shows Venezuela isn’t a major source of drugs entering our country. The White House has used a level of force that looks nothing like a normal counter-drug mission. So what’s actually going on?

Here’s a big hint.

Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the entire world.

Even though its industry has collapsed under Maduro, its exports have started rising again, which makes the country a huge player in global energy politics.

Some of our officials have floated the idea of opening Venezuela’s oil sector to Western companies if there’s a change in leadership.

Add Trump’s long history of saying the U.S. should “take the oil” in other countries, and the drug story looks more like a convenient mask. Many now believe the real aim is to weaken or remove Maduro and reshape control of a massive oil reserve.

No matter your politics, the bottom line is the same.

Military force should never be justified with a story that falls apart the moment you check the facts.
(https://x.com/MikeLevin/status/1996588439811002430?t=axHrUhaTBucsyQr6vm9FqA&s=03)

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  1. rikyrah says:

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