The Public Wants Answers, Not Excuses, From The Zimmerman Jury – Part 2

Part 2 – The Personal Matters

In this continuing series of questions for the Zimmerman jury, we address personal matters that may have influenced their decision.

1. Had they or any of their family members been threatened with the release of their personal information unless they found Zimmerman not guilty?

2.  How did Frank Taaffe know and report it to Nancy Grace, that there was one holdout for a conviction, and that juror would change their mind, before they reached the verdict?

3.  Which one of them asked more personal questions of the others?  After engaging in conversations of employment, children, spouses, etc., how many felt intimidated that those pre-deciding the case, such as Juror B37, would use that information to inflict harm on their family unless they agreed with a not guilty verdict?

4.  When one juror wanted to leave due to personal matters, why did she allow Juror B37 to talk her into staying, when there were three(3) alternative jurors who could have taken her place?

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95 Responses to The Public Wants Answers, Not Excuses, From The Zimmerman Jury – Part 2

  1. WATCH LIVE: Obama is making a surprise statement about the Zimmerman verdict

    http://1.usa.gov/15QMqjr

  2. A swift public verdict on ‘Zimmerman Juror B37’

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/a-swift-public-verdict-on-zimmerman-juror-b37/2013/07/18/d6a21144-efd0-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html

    I don’t begrudge people who profit from personal life experiences. There’s often something we can learn from other people’s traumas.

    Yet there was something upsetting about the swift actions by one juror in the trial of George Zimmerman, who was found innocent of all charges stemming from the shooting death of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

    For now, we know this person only by her court designation, B37. She was the first juror to grant an interview, sitting down with CNN’s Anderson Cooper in a session that aired the Monday and Tuesday after the verdict. The Florida mother of two stayed in the shadows, opting to remain anonymous.

    When Cooper asked Juror B37 why she agreed to speak out, she said, “I want people to know that we put everything into everything to get this verdict.”

    “Did you realize how big this trial had become?” Cooper asked.

    “I had no clue, no clue whatsoever,” the juror answered.

    But look how quickly she and her husband moved to hire a literary agent. The verdict was Saturday. Makes me question her motives. How could she not see the media crowded into the Florida courtroom?

    She signed with Sharlene Martin, an agent for other high-profile people involved in controversial court cases. In interviews, Martin said the juror’s book would be about “the commitment it takes to serve and be sequestered on a jury in a highly publicized murder trial.”

    I don’t buy that, and neither did many others. As quickly as this deal was made, the public took to social media to voice their outrage at someone — well, other than the lawyers — making money from this tragic case.

    There was great indignation on Twitter about the deal — and congratulations when it was canceled. A petition drive on Change.org drew more than 1,300 signatures.

    Martin quickly dropped the couple as clients. “I believe I made a grave error in judgment in wanting to represent this story,” she wrote in an e-mail to the Los Angeles Times.

  3. rikyrah says:

    George Zimmerman Has A Home In Colorado

    excerpt:

    With the conclusion of the Trayvon Martin public lynching, George Zimmerman has little reason to go into hiding, he’s no reason to exile himself all the way to his mother’s South American homeland of Peru. No, instead I’d suggest he need go-no- further than a small-town America.

    George, come to Colorado!

    See, in small-town, lily-white America . . . none of that matters. Now understand it doesn’t matter in urban Yuppie conclaves where Whites are strategically/economically isolated n’ insulated from the colored riff-raft – but Blacks are free to wander about . . . one may sneak-up on you, that won’t happen in parts of Utah and Nevada.

    There was a Black Mandingo buck wandering the gated community minus his “papers” and therefore, just as it as in 1956, 1939, 1922, 1905, 1891 . . . any White man has the authority/audacity to ask “What you doing around here boy.” That’s the historical way it use to be, the “desired way” White folks would like to still have it. And I’d submit there’re millions of White folks across this divided land who’d love to go back to yesteryear when they could tell you ”Boy! don’t you dare look me in the eye, and don’t you dare look at my women, matter-of-fact, get off of the walkway when I approach, and scurry your way home, on the back of the bus to the other-side of the tracks, over n Coontown!

    http://blackathlete.net/2013/07/george-zimmerman-home-colorado/

  4. rikyrah says:

    @keithboykin
    Nowadays they don’t say the N word. They say code words like Detroit, Stand Your Ground, Voter ID and food stamps that mean the same thing.

  5. rikyrah says:

    Zimmerman acquittal another reason to wake up

    By Leonard Pitts Jr.

    lpitts@MiamiHerald.com

    Four words of advice for African Americans in the wake of George Zimmerman’s acquittal:

    Wake the hell up.

    The Sunday after Zimmerman went free was a day of protest for many of us. From Biscayne Boulevard in Miami to Leimert Park in Los Angeles, to the Daley Center in Chicago to Times Square in New York City, African Americans — and others who believe in racial justice — carried out angry, but mostly peaceful demonstrations.

    Good. This is as it should have been.

    But if that’s the end, if you just get it out of your system, then move ahead with business as usual, then all you did Sunday was waste your time. You might as well have stayed home.

    We are living in a perilous era for African-American freedom. The parallels to other eras have become too stark to ignore.

    Every period of African-American advance has always been met by a crushing period of push back, the crafting of laws and the use of violence with the intent of eroding the new freedoms. Look it up:

    The 13th Amendment ended slavery. So the white South created a convict leasing system that was actually harsher.

    The 14th Amendment guaranteed citizenship. So the white South rendered that citizenship meaningless with the imposition of Jim Crow laws.

    The 15th Amendment gave us the right to vote; it was taken away by the so-called “grandfather clause.” The Supreme Court struck that down, so the white South relied on literacy tests and poll taxes to snatch our ballots all over again.

    Our history is a litany: two steps forward, one step back.

    The Civil Rights Movement was the greatest step forward since emancipation. So we ought not be surprised to see voting rights eroded again, the Civil Rights Act attacked, the so-called “War on Drugs” used for the mass incarceration of black men. Or to see the killing of an unarmed child deliver a message as old as the Constitution itself: black life is worth less.

    We are in another period of push back. And worse, we don’t even seem to know.

    It feels as if we have taken the great advances of the last half century — the protective laws, the rise of the black middle class, the winning of the ballot, the flowering of options once considered unthinkable — for granted. It feels as if we have come to regard progress as somehow inevitable, preordained, carved in stone, and irrevocable as a birthright.

    So yes, we need to wake the hell up.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3503415/zimmerman-acquittal-another-reason.html#storylink=cpy

    • Ametia says:

      We have to fight, ALL DAY, EVERYDAY.

      • Yahtc says:

        Just some thoughts:

        The NAACP needs to continue to pressure the DOJ. Absolutely!
        People need to rally at the federal buildings across the U.S. tomorrow.
        However, in these times, this action is NOT enough.
        The cause has to be taken to an organized GRASSROOTS level where individual citizens will have the power to make a difference and push the agenda unceasingly. The conditions that exist today are dire for AA youth as nationally spotlighted by this Zimmerman case.
        What will a grassroots mobilization involve as far as organizing? What power does each individual have? What effective pressure tactics are available?
        These questions must be CAREFULLY answered and plans put into place QUICKLY…..definitely before the new school year begins with college students returning to campuses and PTA and other parent groups returning to their children’s schools; before the mid year campaigning begins; before teacher unions return to begin setting their agenda for the school year.
        Grassroots groups will be able to EMPOWER their local community citizens by informing them of the ways that they can take action that WILL make a difference.
        When college students return to campus, tables need to be set up to recruit students to the grassroots-action group on those campuses ; leaflets have to available at those tables that speak to this very important issue; speakers need to be lined up NOW so that a schedule of their speeches with time and place can be available at those tables; a rally and demonstration schedule for the Fall needs to be figured out NOW so that those schedules, also, can be available at that table.
        Leaflets and speaker schedules need to be worked out NOW in order to be available to PTA’s around the country so that they can be handed out to parents on the first day of school. PTA’s need to empower parents by informing them of ways they can make a difference in their communities through specific action.
        These grassroots groups need to call on trained professionals in communications, human resources, and public relations to provide them with the training that they need.
        [We could even start brainstorming about identifying what should be in those leaflets and pass it on to those who need them. For sure we have the talent here by what I have surmised from some of your professions.]
        There should be a demand for community stores and businesses to provide a place to post signs of support and also tables in front of their stores so that people can pass out leaflets. And, of course, volunteers can walk the community and pass out leaflets. The climate is such now that people will be glad to sign up as volunteers. Messages that are appearing on protest signs presently need to be put into the permanent form of leaflets, flyers, and handbills.
        There need to be WATCH DOG groups in every section of every community that report racial profiling and harassing incidents to mayors, assemblymen/women, and state representatives, and then these WATCH DOG groups need to put continuous pressure on these elected officials to take action.
        One word: LOCAL
        Citizens at the LOCAL grassroots level have the power to bring about CHANGE within their communities. Elected officials at the community level cannot hide from their citizens and their citizen’s demands.
        National groups like the NAACP and local, grassroots groups…… acting simultaneously….. MOVE mountains!

        P.S.
I realize that community organizers already are on the scene across America. However, this cause must be taken to another, greater level.

      • Ametia says:

        And there you have it. Spread the message, Yahtc.

  6. rikyrah says:

    Hear That, George Zimmerman? That’s Justice Catching Up to You

    By: Black Liberal Boomer
    Jul. 18th, 2013

    This is why it is so damned important to not just have white males in positions of power making all the decisions about everyone else’s life.

    Just watching United States Attorney General Eric Holder during his press conference on Tuesday remembering what it was like for him as a young black man in America whose father had to give him ‘the talk’ about how he should behave if ever he was stopped by the police was, I’m quite sure, a revelation to a large segment of the nation. And not the darker segment, because we already know. And as I watched him describe how he felt certain that his father didn’t think his son’s generation would likely have to give that same wise but fearful advice, and then how he wove that into the tragic verdict excusing George Zimmerman for murdering an unarmed black teenager, I couldn’t help but think about the fact that only a black man could offer that perspective on the verdict. No matter how sympathetic many of our white fellow citizens may be, only a black man can talk with authority about what this really means for young black men.

    But more importantly, this wasn’t coming from some anonymous black man interviewed on the street. This opinion was coming from the nation’s top lawyer, the man who is in charge of the United States Justice Department. And this man talked about one night not all that long ago when he was stopped by the police in Georgetown as he was running to get to a movie – simply because he was running while black at night in Georgetown. He was a federal prosecutor at the time.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/18/hear-that-george-zimmerman-justice-catching.html

  7. rikyrah says:

    Will 3CHICS be posting the entire hour of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin on PoliticsNation?

  8. Sequestered Zimmerman trial jurors had alone time with family during trial

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmerman-trial-jurors-had-alone-time-family-durin/nYwNG/

    SANFORD, Fla. —

    The six women who acquitted George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin’s killing were sequestered during the trial, but Channel 9 learned those jurors were allowed hours of time alone with friends and family.

    Channel 9’s Kathi Belich confirmed the jurors were left unsupervised with guests at times, which WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said is more than enough time for a member to have said something that could have influenced a juror and possibly impacted the verdict.

    The Seminole County Sheriff’s Office said Judge Debra Nelson allowed jurors generally no more than two hours of alone time with visitors once a week.

    Nelson didn’t decide until three days into the trial to sequester the jury after potential jurors voiced concerns about their privacy and safety.

    Channel 9 obtained the agreement the judge had all of the jurors’ visitors sign in which they agreed “the case or anything even remotely related to the case must not be talked about.”

    Sheaffer said allowing sequestered jurors to have unsupervised visits invites criticism and questions over the integrity of the verdict.

    “It only takes two seconds for an inappropriate comment to be made to a juror by a family member inadvertently or otherwise to possibly affect the verdict, how they look at the case,” Sheaffer said.

    The law says it’s up to the judge to decide how far to take the sequestration of jurors.

    And there are questions being raised now about juror B37, who reportedly signed with a literary agent hours after the verdict and about when she and her husband discussed a plan to write a book.

  9. How did he know it was a 5-1 hold out?

    • Xena says:

      When it was reported that the jury had a question to clarify manslaughter, attorney commentators said that it looked as though 2nd degree was taken off the table and the jury was considering manslaughter. It appeared that way to me too. When the jury did not return with a specific question, but a verdict instead, is when Taaffe’s comment hit me.

      That the jury foreperson DID NOT return a specific question to the judge speaks volumes, as it indicates they were only interested in getting the one juror to change her mind rather than them all getting an education on manslaughter.

      • Yahtc says:

        or that the manslaughter query was that single juror’s cry for help

        • Xena says:

          @Yahtc. You make a good point. The foreperson is the one with authority to submit the question. That one juror might have been specific, but the foreperson wrote it vague so that no answer would be forthcoming.

  10. Did The Press Have A Mole On The Zimmerman Jury?

    http://www.alan.com/2013/07/18/did-the-press-have-a-mole-on-the-zimmerman-jury/

    The first troubling sign was the announcement Monday that Juror B37 had signed a deal (later rescinded) with literary agent Sharlene Martin to market her story. The timeline proffered was that the juror had reached out to Martin on Sunday; if true, that would mean that, on a day when scores of Americans were in church struggling to make sense of the verdict, B37 was already working furiously to turn the death of Trayvon Martin into a personal profit center. Such a bent would be in keeping with the personality profile offered by Gail Brashers-Krug, a federal prosecutor and law professor turned criminal defense attorney, who after viewing B37’s voir dire told Slate:

    “She really wants to be a juror. She seems to be going out of her way to minimize the disruptive effect of a multiweek trial on her life. Jurors rarely do that. … Both sides tend to be very skeptical of jurors who are particularly eager to serve on high-profile cases. Often they have their own agendas, or are attention-seekers.” …

    Martin, the literary agent, claimed that B37 had been referred to her “by a high ranking producer at one of the morning shows.” That means the juror would have to have established a relationship with a national morning-TV producer, asked said producer to recommend an agent, contacted Martin, and agreed to a deal with her – all within a single Sunday. …

    Adding to the concern over potential juror misconduct, Zimmerman neighbor and friend Frank Taaffe had appeared on both the FOX News Channel and HLN on Saturday a few hours before the verdict was read, and had claimed to possess inside knowledge that the jury was at that moment polling 5 to 1 in favor of acquitting the defendant, with one juror holding out for manslaughter. At 2:48 PM on HLN, Taaffe at first merely claimed he was “very comfortable” in this assessment and “firmly believe[d]” it was the case; prodded by host Nancy Grace to explain how he had arrived at his belief, he went even further, stating, “I know it’s 5 to 1.” …

    [T]hree days later, when CNN’s Cooper aired the second part of his interview with B37, she confirmed that the penultimate jury poll had indeed been 5 to 1, with one juror holding out for manslaughter. …

    [W]e should be looking deeper into the possibility that the verdict was compromised by simple and repeated misconduct –all on the part of jurors who, either on their own or through proxies, couldn’t wait to make contact with the media they purportedly deplore.

    • Xena says:

      @SG2. This really raises eyebrows, because it first indicates that juror B37 had personal contact with a television producer on a Sunday. In the alternative, she contacted the producer just after finding that she would be on the jury, or her husband was the go-between communicating that info to the producer. Speaking of her husband, she said he is an attorney who concentrates in “space law.” That issue itself is political. Thus, her husband might also be a politician or a legal advisor to a politician.

      Many literary agents will not accept clients who have not demonstrated some writing ability and submitted a synopsis. What the literary agent wrote, and what the media is ignoring, is that juror B37 said that George Zimmerman was not guilty “…due to the manner in which he was charged …” That is not an issue that was brought up in trial, and I hope that the feds question the literary agent about it because it was postured as coming from juror B37.

      • Yahtc says:

        “due to the manner in which he was charged”

        I agree with you, Xena, that that comment of hers is very revealing.

        • Xena says:

          @yahtc. Happy to see you here!!! Welcome!

          I agree with you, Xena, that that comment of hers is very revealing.

          Juror B37 is the one who used the term “riots” regarding peaceful rallies. She is apparently among the number of bigots who believe that Zimmerman was arrested to avoid “race riots.” Since she evidently believes that he should not have been charged, then of course there was no evidence to convince her otherwise.

          IMO, Juror B37 should be investigated for obstruction of justice.

      • Yahtc says:

        Thanks! It feels so good to be here.

        Your are right + plus then having Singleton’s (astonishing!) and Serino’s testimony reinforcing her belief. And, yes, what a give away with her labeling the peaceful demonstration in Sanford as a riot!

      • Yahtc says:

        B37’s TV interview is on a par with gz’s Hannity interview.
        What a gold mine!

        • Xena says:

          @yahtc. Yes, it is a goldmine, and as soon as I get time, I’m going to get all of her racial dog whistles and put it on video.

      • yahtc says:

        Wow, that will be great, Xena!

  11. CarolMaeWY says:

    Just watched the B37 on gawker during her questioning. Thought one comment was kinda funny. My apologies to parrots. ;)
    “Her only news about the case came from the Today show. “Newspapers are used in the parrot’s cage. Not even read,” she said.” He thought the parrot was B37.

  12. Ametia says:

    BWA HA HA Nice try troll. You can read all you like, but you’re not coming here. BYE NOW!

  13. Xena says:

    Hey Cyber-harasser and doxer wannabee. You’re not so anonymous. You can’t get the names and location right, but that’s okay, because now that I have proof that you are spreading defamatory information, I’m amending my criminal complaint and will see you in court on a civil action. Don’t look over your shoulder for the sheriff just yet, because there are other priorities in my life and right now, you don’t deserve my time. Additionally, the longer I wait within the statute of limitations, the more time it gives you to continue so that more counts are added to your criminal charges, and more evidence in the civil action that your actions are continuous and malicious.

    Don’t worry. When you go down, the person you said gave you my purported personal information will also be named. You should be very proud of hurting your friends.

    • Ametia says:

      The hit dogs are hollering. We will not be SILENCED. Keep bringing the TRUTH XENA, and 3 Chics community.

      • Xena says:

        Know what? That Zidiot began stalking me back in July 2012 when I first began commenting on a blog before I opened Blackbutterfly7. When I announced opening Blackbutterfly7, the hater couldn’t wait to submit a comment, and it was derogatory about the blog administrator where I was commenting. The hater threatened then that she would “ruin” my “good reputation” if I didn’t either stop commenting on that blog or attack the administrator.

        I’m not one who gets intimidated.

        During that time, she also sent comments to Blackbutterfly7 about other blog administrators, as though to show me her dirty work. Three ISPs have cancelled that hater’s service because of her cyber-harassing and doxing. She partners with a person in Jacksonville, FL who is the main individual behind doxing (remember they doxed two girls purporting to be DeeDee), and a back-patter in Arkansas.

        When the heat gets on her, she impersonates other haters by using their names and fake email addresses with their names in her submitted comments.

        They started their crap around September of last year and each person they tried defaming into silence is still going strong. What’s that saying about stupidity doing the same things over and over again, expecting a different result?

  14. Ametia says:

    To all the TM Warriors:

    Sometimes being different can make us a LEADER or an OUTCAST, we have to decide.

  15. CarolMaeWY says:

    Thank you Xena for your advice. That sounds like something my husband would do. It has been like this since President Obama was elected. But the tragedy of Trayvon has been very hard. Yes, WY is in the Ninth Federal District. It’s in Denver. Your advice is appreciated so much.
    Just finished watching the Martin family on Rev. Al. If only I could be half as good as her, I’d be happy.

    • Ametia says:

      CaroleMae, just remember every step you take to denounce racism, small or large, is a step towards helping others to take responsibility for their bigoted, hateful ways. If we don’t accept it, it can’t penetrate our Souls, so it goes back to the sender.

    • Xena says:

      @CarolMae. We know that the legal system doesn’t always work. However, what I like about the legal system is that it makes a record. A company that has an EEOC charge filed against it, or a lawsuit, goes down in history. If they compete for government contracts, that info is revealed. Even if they do business with a company that does business with the government, they have to reveal that information.

  16. Trayvon Martin parents turn to Obama

  17. rikyrah says:

    @GN192
    Trayvon has been so degraded/disrespected by the US media almost none have asked whether Trayvon was RIGHT to have not led GZ to a 12 yr old

  18. rikyrah says:

    Maya Wiley, Founder and President of the Center for Social Inclusion, introduces implicit racial bias to explain why the law is not equipped to deliver justice in the case involving George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. And she points the way forward so that all of us, esp. our young men of color, can walk the streets feeling safe.

    http://youtu.be/bU590o8SFU8

  19. The white media helped push Zimmerman’s self defense bs and Trayvon was a thug but now act like they’re shocked at a “not guilty” verdict.

    • Liza says:

      They think they can talk their way out of their complicity in setting a child killer free. They think they can talk their way out of anything.

      • Exactly, Liza! Lisa Bloom & Wendy Murphy were leading the charge that GZ was innocent and Trayvon attacked him. The day after the verdict Lisa Bloom was pretending she was sad. Disgusting witches!

      • Ametia says:

        @SG2. MSNBC, CNN & HLN, CBS ABC, NBC, they all had Lisa Bloom on to hammer it home. They’re all PIRIAHS circling the blood of a murdered teenager for ratings and profits.

    • Ametia says:

      What the white media should do, but won’t do is advocate for townhall meetings on RACISM and call on the WHITE FOLKS to participate.

      Hold All white townhall meetings and televise them.But NO, they’re not going to ask the good ole white folks to talk about the sickness. *LOOKING@YOUANDERSONCOOPER*

      They’d rather trot out the negroes as victims of the white folks racist behavoirs instead of CONFRONTING the racist behaviors of white AMERICA.

    • Yahtc says:

      Hi SouthernGirl2,
      I have a need to come to your website.
      I do not know how much I will be commenting. I basically just want to read, listen and learn from all of your articles.
      (And, of course, I agree completely with your comment about the white media.)

      • Welcome, Yahtc! Just join in the discussion. We all need the support of each other during this difficult time.

      • Yahtc says:

        Thanks. Yes, the times are dire, and we do need to stand together against this horrible injustice.

        I transcribed Al Sharpton’s call for the rallies this Saturday:

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57593992/sharpton-organizing-justice-for-trayvon-rallies/

        This is a social movement for justice. The verdict that has been given by this jury is the decision of the jury

        But, the underlying problem with the legislation of Stand Your Ground and the other issues that have surrounded this have rendered us vulnerable to all kinds of attacks in this country.

        Let us be clear: It is now, because of these laws and upheld by a jury in this trial where anyone walking, committing no crime can be followed or approached by another civilian and they can use deadly force and say it was self defense.

        That is something that is frightening and cannot be allowed to sustain itself in our society.

        We are going to fight. On Saturday night, we lost the battle. But, the war is not over. And, we intend to fight.

        Let me say, before we open up (for questions) that we urge all who participate with us to do so nonviolently and peacefully.

  20. It’s an unjust system when a juror says a child victim who was running away from his killer was 101% responsible for his own death. Disturbing!

  21. LeaNder says:

    Xena, i would be most interested in the experience of witness 29. i don’t understand the rules that they are not allowed to discuss the case before the final deliberations. Theoretically six, not these maybe, would get a better grasp of matters than every one on her own.

    Considering two above, Taaffe’s statement could be purely racist. He knew one black woman was on the jury. But who knows the larger context concerning princess dumb, or juror 37 may be more interesting.

    And maybe you should spread this here or everywhere. It’s from Whonoze’s blog. How do reach the black communities that lived inside RTL and were harassed by Fogen?

    amsterdam1234
    July 16, 2013 at 4:07 PM | #1
    Reply | Quote

    The DOJ is solliciting tips for the Zimmerman case.
    They’ve got an email address set up, for this purpose Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.
    Article is here.
    http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76680163/

  22. Xena says:

    The DOJ has placed a hold on evidence in the Zimmerman case. That includes the gun.

    http://globalgrind.com/news/department-of-justice-places-hold-all-evidence-george-zimmerman-case-gun-photos

  23. rikyrah says:

    @Kennymack1971
    They’ve snapped…SMH.
    RT @TPM Report: Gunman outside White House says he was only going to fire a couple shots: http://bit.ly/18qC2Fh

    • Ametia says:

      They’ve beyond SNAPPED. This fucker shhoting outside the WH is exactly what the white angst is all about. They want that Negro Barack Obamaand his black wife and black daughter and their black grandmother out of their White House. I hope the secret service put this bitch in a choke hold.

      2016, MOFO; 2016, so DEAL.

  24. CarolMaeWY says:

    I also have another dilemma. At my husbands work place in the “change house” people he works with are now imitating Rush L. This isn’t new, but of course they are enjoying saying “n___a because Rush says its okay. He comes home upset everyday. I think he should go to HR but you know how that goes. I want to do something confidential but I don’t know what. It is a huge company with over a thousand employees in our area, 99.9% are white. Please help. :,( SCREAMING!

    • Xena says:

      @CarolMaeWY. Your husband should consult an attorney that concentrates in employee Civil Rights.

      • CarolMaeWY says:

        He won’t do that because no lawyer in WY would stand up to this company. I think he would like to show the effect Rush is having on already bigoted people. What we want is for white people to realize the pain they are causing. I’m sorry I brought this up I think. It’s so minor compared to the pain of others here. I didn’t mean to be insensitive. I need to work through NOT having revenge in my head. Thanks for taking time to respond Xena.

        • Xena says:

          @CarolMaeWY.

          I think he would like to show the effect Rush is having on already bigoted people.

          All Rush Limpballs gave to them was license to use the “n” word in a manner not intended. As you say, they were already bigoted. However, they will need to explain to the employer why they are following Limpballs rather than company policy. Almost all companies with over 25 employees are required to have Equal Employment Opportunity polices and procedures.

          I’m sorry I brought this up I think. It’s so minor compared to the pain of others here. I didn’t mean to be insensitive.

          No need to be sorry. Also, is WY in the ninth federal circuit? If so, then any attorney in that circuit who concentrates in civil rights should be willing to represent your husband. They could be in another state within the same federal circuit. The federal government requires electronic filings, and they are very lenient with allowing attorneys to make appearances by phone.

          An alternative is to file a charge with the EEOC and let them proceed and handle it.

    • Ametia says:

      Ditto.

      I had a friend who works for the UPS and her co-workers listen to the radio and Rash Limpballs at work in her area. It’s HATE radio, and no employee should be subjected to this. It’s intimidation, and makes for a hostile work environment.

      If your husband is serious about this use of language in the workplace, he should contact a civil rights attorney, and acertain what his rights are as an employee.

      • CarolMaeWY says:

        Thanks Ametia. I know you mean well, but there is no money in it for them and we don’t have the resources. I think the closest attorney would be in Denver. 600 miles away. This is the company I’m talking about: http://www.archcoal.com/news/video.aspx?video=0
        We would have 0% support from anyone, including family. Hubby’s less than a year away from retirement. If I didn’t have to use my real name I’d call the local paper. My husband has worked there for 36 years. Somehow I’ll get the word out about it. I want to shame them in public. One was a friend on FB, and for some reason she dropped me after I posted about my thoughts on FB. Imagine that. She’s posted racial slur posters before. But I had her in restricted so no one else could see them.
        Justice4Trayvon and all black people.

        • Xena says:

          @CarolMaeWY. Understand what you are saying about your husband being a year away from retirement, but I do want to offer some info. Attorneys who represent employees in Civil Rights cases are not paid in advance. By federal statute, their fees are paid by the defendant. What the attorney would do is have your husband first file a charge with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). At times, it takes them months to investigate or a right to sue letter can be requested. If the right to sue letter is issued, the employee has 90 days from the date of the letter to file suit.

          IOWs, if your husband plays the timing right and delays retirement and is harassed for filing the charge with EEOC and terminated, he has an additional charge of retaliation.

  25. CarolMaeWY says:

    Hello 3Chicks. I’ve missed you. Did I mention I am having eye problems and I’m really not supposed to be reading or writing for awhile? Yes, I’ve cheated, but I’ve missed most of the discussion. I am having a family dilemma of sorts. I’m close to my female, white, wealthy first cousin who lives in Seminole Co. Florida. We don’t talk politics though because we’re complete opposites. We do Ancestory together. I don’t want to close ties to her. But I want to answer an email she sent me the Fri. before verdict. We have never discussed the case. Needless to say I am on the side of justice for Trayvon. What would you say if this were the complete e-mail from a cousin?
    “We are bracing for the Zimmerman verdict I was sort of hoping the tropical storm might be blessing hit about the time of the verdict but the storm has more or less fallen apart.” Bev
    Thanks. :,(

  26. Ametia says:

    Notice to ALL TROLLS:

    You will not come to 3 Chics and try to attack a murdered child and his family with your hateful, bigoted, RACISM.

  27. Ametia says:

    i sincerely hope B29 is reading this questions; especially this one:

    3. Which one of them asked more personal questions of the others? After engaging in conversations of employment, children, spouses, etc., how many felt intimidated that those pre-deciding the case, such as Juror B37, would use that information to inflict harm on their family unless they agreed with a not guilty verdict?

    • Xena says:

      @Ametia. What some folks ask under the posture of being friendly, is actually to get information they can use to threaten or infer harm later. Those 6 women spent time together doing social things. They couldn’t discuss the case, so no doubt talked about family. They also had family visit them on the holiday and weekends. If I were on a sequestered jury, the last thing I would do is expose the identity of my family to other jurors.

      • Ametia says:

        Exactly, Xena. It’s the same rationale for Trayvon not leading the child predator/murderer George Zimmerman to his dad’s girlfriend’s house. What did Rachel Jeantel say? Zimmerman could have been a rapist. He was a child predator and a MURDER.

        • Xena says:

          @Ametia. Exactly. Something that State prosecutors left out of the case is that Trayvon had no door keys. He would have to ring the door bell and wait for Chad to open the door. Another thing is that in order for Trayvon to enter by the front door, he would have to walk on Twin Trees Lane. The dog walk was safer for him since the creep had followed in a vehicle and could not drive down the dog walk.

          It’s my impression that Trayvon waited to make sure no vehicle was coming down Twin Trees Lane, and then he turned the corner to go into the front of the house and that is when he told Rachel that he saw the creep again. Trayvon would then walk back down the dog walk and that is when he told Rachel that the creep was behind him, and getting closer.

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