Wednesday Open Thread | #KeithLamontScott: A disabled black man shot dead by North Carolina police

keithlamontscottWhen will this end, Lord?

Father of seven
Reading a book while waiting on his son’s school bus
Shot 4 times by police

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A chaotic scene has erupted in the night in North Charlotte after an African-American man was shot and killed in an officer-involved shooting.

Police say they were serving an outstanding warrant when they came upon Keith Lamont Scott in his car. They say Scott got out, had a gun on him, and put the officers in imminent danger. Officer Brentley Vinson shot Scott.

“Man was in his truck, reading a book waiting for his kid to come home,” said a man on scene. “Cops shot him, for nothing.”

Emergency services were called to the scene where they transported Scott to Carolinas Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.

“As is standard procedure with any officer involved shooting, Officer Vinson has been placed on paid Administrative Leave,” the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police said in a statement Tuesday night. Officer Vinson has been employed with the CMPD since July 2014. He is African American.

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51 Responses to Wednesday Open Thread | #KeithLamontScott: A disabled black man shot dead by North Carolina police

  1. eliihass says:

    The combination of rage, fury, helplessness one feels in the midst of this unending madness is enough to make a sane person completely lose it..

    With mercury in retrograde no less …I was never really a believer, but lately, not so sure..

  2. Liza says:

    Y’all will absolutely not believe this. And God bless the folks who take care of abused animals.

  3. rikyrah says:

    Trump’s Narrow Path to Victory
    by Martin Longman
    September 20, 2016 10:52 AM

    I’m going to put two things side by side here so you can contemplate them in tandem. First, there’s the memo that Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook sent out “to donors, supporters and top volunteers” yesterday.

    “Here’s the story that no poll can tell: Hillary Clinton has many paths to 270 electoral votes, while Donald Trump has very few. Hillary is nearly certain to win 16 ‘blue’ states, including Washington D.C., which will garner her 191 electoral votes. If we add the five states that gives Hillary a 70% or greater chance of winning (Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin), Hillary only needs 10 more electoral votes.”

    “Mook then runs down the possibilities for Clinton to win the remaining 10 electoral votes: taking Florida’s 29 electoral votes, North Carolina’s 15, Ohio’s 18, or any two of Colorado, New Hampshire, Iowa, or Nevada.”

    I’ll get into those scenarios in a moment, but the math is correct.

    Next up is an excerpt from a Sean Trende piece for RealClearPolitics.

    “To be sure, Clinton did not want the polls to tighten. At the same time, this was a particularly awful series of news cycles for her, while Trump had managed to go over a month without reprising some of his more polarizing statements, such as his flap with the Khan family, who lost a son in Iraq. We would expect a big swing in the polls, and there was one.”

    “But it did not put Trump over the top. A week in, she still leads by 0.7 points in the four-way RCP average, and 0.9 points in the two-way average. She maintains a lead in the Electoral College, and while North Carolina and Nevada appear to be close, her lead in the next-most-Republican state, Virginia (which would put Trump over the 270 mark), is 3.5 points.”

    “In other words, a truly terrible news cycle was still not enough to put Trump ahead. In a strange way, that’s good news for Clinton.”

    • Liza says:

      I was listening to one Nate Silver’s analysts being interviewed on MSNBC. I can’t remember his name. But he said the Democrats shouldn’t panic unless Trump moves ahead in Pennsylvania.

      Perhaps Monday’s debate will go badly for Trump. It should, it really should.

  4. Liza says:

    Truth. Of course this has “got to end.” But we need more from people who want to be leaders. And if I hear one more version of “we must come together” or anything else about love being better than hate or violence, I might walk outside and start screaming. These platitudes are not helpful, not even slightly.

    Saying this has got to end gets us nowhere. We need laws changed. Police need to be held accountable for their crimes. We need action.— 3ChicsPolitico (@3ChicsPolitico) September 21, 2016


  5. rikyrah says:

    You Break It, You Own It
    by Martin Longman
    September 19, 2016 2:32 PM

    You might want to take out the tiniest violin in the world to play for the sad, sad Trump-supporting Washington staffers and consultants who are getting shunned by their peers.

    Take this guy:

    A senior House Republican staffer who works for a committee chairman doesn’t tell his colleagues that he likes Trump or that he has informally advised the campaign.

    “Basically nobody knows what I’ve done,” said the staffer, who asked for anonymity for fear of the impact his views could have on his career. “It’s not something I talk about openly at work, because there are a lot of strong feelings, still, among the staff. People talk openly against the guy.”

    He worries it might harm his reputation if colleagues discover he’s a major fan of Trump.

    This whole article from The Hill is constructed around similar stories of Trump lovers hiding their enthusiasm for Trump or lamenting that they’ve been treated as pariahs for being open about it.

  6. rikyrah says:

    Driving While Black Is Totally Different
    by Martin Longman
    September 20, 2016 3:23 PM

    I don’t know what I was expecting to see when I watched the dashcam video of Tulsa police officers killing Terence Crutcher on September 16th. I guess I expected to see something a little more suspenseful instead of just a mundane segment of footage of a seemingly non-threatening person being executed for no apparent reason.

    In fact, the first time I watched it, I completely missed the shooting because it didn’t seem imminent and I was momentarily distracted.


    It didn’t help. I saw a man who had his hands on his car who was clearly shot and killed for no apparent reason. I couldn’t even see any reason why he might have been tased.

    It certainly doesn’t show Mr. Crutcher reaching into his car as a Tulsa police spokesperson initially said.


    What’s probably the most disturbing part of this is that he was being treated like a suspect in the first place. His vehicle broke down in the middle of the road. He needed assistance. Yet, he’s there from the first moment of the video with his hands up and a gun drawn on him.

    Maybe he was acting strangely. I have no way of knowing how he was behaving before the videos begin, although it appears he was on his way home from the local community college, so I don’t when he was supposed to be doing the PCP.

    I just can’t imagine the police treating me this way if my car breaks down and I’m looking for a helping hand. Most likely, they would have helped me get the car on the shoulder and radioed for a tow truck. And if I seemed impaired or something, they would have given me a field sobriety test, not drawn a gun on me.

    Back in about 1995, I was in the passenger seat of a car being driven by a black friend of mine when we got pulled over on Route One in New Jersey. I thought I’d helpfully get his insurance information and opened his glovebox. He reacted with furious terror and told me to shut the glovebox and keep my hands in sight.

    That was my introduction to the difference between driving while white and black. Even then, I thought he was being a little paranoid.

    I don’t think that anymore.

  7. rikyrah says:

    Cultural Ascendancy and Political Complacency
    by Martin Longman
    September 21, 2016 11:18 AM

    I actually like Ross Douthat’s latest column because it’s provocative in the good sense. It’s true that Douthat is uniquely disqualified from having credibility on the subject of Donald Trump’s appeal. After all, no one assured us more emphatically that Trump would never win the Republican nomination than Douthat. But he seems to be slowly coming around to an understanding of what’s been going on in this country.

    At first, I wasn’t sure where he was going in blaming Samantha Bee for Trump’s electoral strength. And, while his argument isn’t ultimately convincing, it’s sound enough to explore.

    What he’s noticing is real, although his description of it is incomplete. It’s true that liberalism is culturally ascendant, relatively unquestioned among Millennials, and encroaching into areas where politics were previously muted or absent.

    The examples he uses are adequate to make his point.

    On late-night television, it was once understood that David Letterman was beloved by coastal liberals and Jay Leno more of a Middle American taste. But neither man was prone to delivering hectoring monologues in the style of the “Daily Show” alums who now dominate late night…

    …Awards shows are being pushed to shed their genteel limousine liberalism and embrace the race-gender-sexual identity agenda in full. Colleges and universities are increasingly acting as indoctrinators for that same agenda, shifting their already-lefty consensus under activist pressure.

    Meanwhile, institutions that were seen as outside or sideways to political debate have been enlisted in the culture war. The tabloid industry gave us the apotheosis of Caitlyn Jenner, and ESPN gave her its Arthur Ashe Award. The N.B.A., N.C.A.A. and the A.C.C. — nobody’s idea of progressive forces, usually — are acting as enforcers on behalf of gay and transgender rights. Jock culture remains relatively reactionary, but even the N.F.L. is having its Black Lives Matters moment, thanks to Colin Kaepernick.

    Quibble about the details here if you want, but he’s basically correct. If anything, he doesn’t go far enough. During the Obama presidency, there has been a steady growth of black, brown, gay and feminist voices who have moved from the media fringe or underground into the mainstream, as syndicated columnists, cable news anchors and regular guests, and (as it has aged) even as veterans of the administration. The growth of social media, especially Twitter, has also amplified voices of the cultural and ethnic left, pushing them into the conversation on every major news story.

  8. rikyrah says:

    Pearl-Clutching Conservatives Like Trump More When He’s Winning
    by John Stoehr
    September 21, 2016 12:36 PM

    Over the preceding months, we have seen the rise of what I’ll call the pearl-clutching conservative.

    This is a high-minded man or woman predisposed to the theory and practice of limited government who has declared one way or another that it would be unthinkable to support a cad like businessman Donald Trump. He is too offensive, too crude, too bigoted, they said, to be the standard bearer of a principled Republican Party. But mostly, they thought he’d lose.

    Donald Trump has now united his base and narrowed the polling gap against Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton. His success has illustrated what Clinton herself has long expected — that the election is going to be close. Those same pearl-clutching conservatives are now demonstrating that conservative philosophy, nice as it is, is now secondary to their interest in party and power.

    Case in point is Tucker Carlson. To my amazement, and the amazement of many, he manages to be taken seriously by Washington media, even the “liberal” National Public Radio, as the editor in chief of the laughable “news” site, the Daily Caller. As such, he on NPR Monday, where he was asked about the role of “birtherism” among Trump’s supporters. He, like other “conservatives,” trivialized its significance.

    “He owns [birtherism], for sure, whatever its origins,” Carlson told NPR. “I mean, he gave press conferences about it. But, I mean, he’s clearly ridden immigration and trade to the position he’s in now. I think his bringing this up again was a godsend for the Hillary people.”

  9. rikyrah says:

    How’s That Pivot Going?
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    September 20, 2016 4:28 PM

    If Patrick Murray (Director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute) is correct, all of Kellyanne Conway’s work to construct an alternative Donald Trump that would appeal to white suburban women has gone for naught.

    head of @MonmouthPoll on CNN: birther hurt Trump badly, esp among suburban college-educated women.

    — Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) September 20, 2016

    So much for the great Trump pivot, huh? I’m sure they’ll keep at it and we’ll see him bouncing back and forth between being wrong and downright deplorable over the next couple of months.

  10. rikyrah says:

    Quick Takes: The Suit and Tie Version of White Supremacists
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    September 20, 2016 5:17 PM

    * Some of the members of the alt-right have been described as the “suit and tie version of the white supremacists of old.” I’m ready to call it – Donald Trump, Jr. seems to be part of that deplorable group. We know that he recently loved the idea of being cast with the white supremacists meme about Pepe the Frog. We also know that he has a persistent habit of re-tweeting white supremacists and was interviewed on the radio show of one of them. Finally, in a period of less that 24 hours, here are two things he tweeted:

    This image says it all. Let’s end the politically correct agenda that doesn’t put America first. #trump2016

    — Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) September 19, 2016

    Europe’s Rape Epidemic: Western Women Will Be Sacrificed At The Altar Of Mass Migration via @BreitbartNews

    — Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) September 20, 2016

    To get the significance of that first one, I suggest reading this article by Naomi LaChance. The second one sounds just like something Dylan Roof would say and harkens back to the pointy-hooded guys who starred in the original 1915 version of “The Birth of a Nation.”

  11. Liza says:

    Protests Erupt over Police Killings of Terence Crutcher & Keith Lamont Scott in Tulsa & Charlotte
    SEPTEMBER 21, 2016
    executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights.
    artist and activist who scaled the 30-foot flagpole on the South Carolina state Capitol and unhooked the Confederate flag last year.
    executive director of Color of Change.

    We host a roundtable on police killings of black men. Protests escalated in Charlotte, North Carolina, overnight when hundreds took to the street and blocked Interstate 85 to express outrage over the police shooting of 43-year-old African American Keith Lamont Scott on Tuesday. Video footage shows people blocking the highway, where fires were lit. This comes as police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, have released a video showing a white police officer shooting and killing 40-year-old African American Terence Crutcher while his hands were in the air. We are joined by Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights; Bree Newsome, artist and activist from Charlotte who scaled the 30-foot flagpole on the South Carolina state Capitol and unhooked the Confederate flag last year; and Rashad Robinson, executive director of Color of Change. He has launched a new petition called “Terence Crutcher died for being Black. Indict Officer Betty Shelby.”

    Video and transcript:

  12. Ametia says:

    It’s hump day in AMERIKKKA

  13. Liza says:

    So what is the Attorney General up to these days? I was curious because she doesn’t seems to have anything to say about recent killings by police. But she’s all over the opioid problem, as if that could not be delegated to anyone else in the DOJ. SMDH.

    SEPTEMBER 20, 2016 10:14 AM
    Central Kentucky families of overdose victims give top U.S. prosecutor plenty to think about

    The nation’s top prosecutor heard Tuesday a measure of the pain of Central Kentucky families who have lost loved ones to drug overdoses.

    In a meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, one father talked of lying awake nights waiting for his addicted son to make it home as other parents nodded about their similar experiences.

    Family members told Lynch of their desperate searches for treatment for kids addicted to heroin or prescription painkillers, about difficulties paying for treatment, about lives cut short.

    “We cry every day,” David Greene of Lexington said of he and his wife, Kayla. Their son Domonique died of a heroin overdose last October at age 23, leaving behind a baby daughter.

    Lynch attended events in Lexington and Richmond on Tuesday as part of the first national week designated to try to focus attention on abuse of heroin and prescription painkillers called opioids, such as OxyContin and Percocet, as problems with the drugs get worse in Kentucky and around the nation.

    “The explosion in opioid and heroin abuse in the U.S. in recent years is truly an epidemic, and no one is immune,” Lynch said in a speech at the University of Kentucky.

    The White House said in a news release that Lynch and other federal officials will take part in more than 250 events around the country this week to focus attention on heroin and opioid abuse.

    Read more…

  14. Liza says:

    #TerrenceCrutcher Police are installing fear in every black person, living their lives in a free country. You can't be fearful and free.— Idris Elba (@idriselba) September 21, 2016


  15. Liza says:

    This crisis rages on while the biggest issue in the 2016 presidential election is which candidate is worse than the other.

  16. Don King is endorsing Donald Trump. Oh got dammit!

  17. rikyrah says:

    Where is the cop’s body camera footage?

  18. sunshine616 says:

    No more!!!! I’m in tears this morning….how can we be told violence isn’t the answer when violence has always been an acceptable language for whites.

  19. rikyrah says:

    Things Black people can’t do without fearing for their lives :
    Now includes reading a book in a car.

    • rikyrah says:

      This hits me hard. My father was an older parent. He retired when I was 8 years old. So, he spent many afternoons waiting for me after school.I see him, in the car, reading anything, waiting on me or my sisters

  20. rikyrah says:

    Morning Everyone

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