Friday Open Thread | Democrats – Do Not Spend One Dime Trying to Convert Dolt45 Voters


They showed their lack of character when they voted for Dolt45.
IF, after watching him become an international embarrassment, they aren’t willing to apologize for their vote…they need not be paid any mind.

Two examples of what I’m talking about.

From the Washington Post:

Farmers like me put Trump in office. Now his trade war is smothering us.

China needs to be punished for stealing patented U.S. technology. This is not the right approach.
By Kalena Bruce July 25 at 12:47 PM

Kalena Bruce, a fifth generation rancher living in Stockton, Mo., operates a commercial ranch.

President Trump is considering expanding tariffs to apply to $500 billion worth of Chinese imports. This move would double the level of tariffs that Trump recently imposed on Chinese goods. It would apply to nearly all of China’s exports to the United States.

To mitigate tariff damage to U.S. farmers, who are already facing rising input costs and reduced export markets, the Trump administration announced Tuesday that it would extend them $12 billion in aid.

I am a farmer and a Trump supporter. I agree that China needs to be punished for stealing patented U.S. technology. But opening a new front in this trade war, while trying to reduce the blowback on farmers with a Great Depression-era transfer program, is not the right approach. It is the economic equivalent of treating a hangnail by cutting off your finger.

Now, he’s gonna put her in the poor house, through a ill-conceived trade war….

She’ a friggin’ farmer. What does she have to do with the ‘ intellectual property rights’ that China is stealing?
What does that possibly have to do with a farmer from Missouri?
Absolutely nothing…but, she needs to be able to spout some talking point in order to justify still supporting someone who is making her broke by the minute.

While the article might disgust you, click through to read the comments.
They were PURE GOLD!!
They put a smile on my face.

Here is someone who had a confrontation with a couple of Dolt45 Supporters:

During the talk, I had said (in response to a question) that Helsinki was not going to move the needle on Trump’s base support, not least because the Trump base is willfully ignorant and refuses to hear anything they don’t like about the summit or about Russia at all. /2

After the talk, they wanted a debate. “Did you say I’m willfully evil?” one asked me. I said: “No, I said you’re willfully ignorant.” Much spluttering. (Both were immigrants, btw: India and post-Soviet region.) /3

Both did the standard Trump thing: talking at me in a fusillade of words punctuated with questions that they would not let me answer. This is a compulsion with Trumpers: they must – *must* – constantly explain to you why they *had* to vote for Trump. /4

There was the standard litany of phantom Trump successes, including – really – that Trump is “taking jobs away from foreigners and making them give them back to Americans.” When I brought up foreign workers at Mar A Lago, they agreed: Bad. But Trump? Good. /5

Finally, I said: “Look, what you believe to be true is false. The things you think are facts are not facts. We can’t go further here.” This elicited lots of fast talking about why false things were true, and why Trump is generally awesome. /6

Finally, one of them said: “You should respect my view and not call me ignorant. That’s not reasonable” I said: “You are not a reasonable person, and this is not really a discussion where I can respect your view. You think Trump is doing great. I think he’s a disaster.” /7

To which she said, and I quote: “Well, he’s not as bad as Obamanation.” I said: “Obamanation?” She said: “That’s what he was, an abomination.” This was the person who had just implored me to be respectful and reasonable. I rolled my eyes and she left. /8

The other lady was nicer, and said that I was the only Never Trumper she’d met she thought was funny and engaging. (Hmph. Many of us are.) But I finally said: “These things you think are happening aren’t really happening.” /9

She said, out of nowhere: “Well, I supported Obama. But I couldn’t vote for Hillary.” I said: “That’s irrelevant to what’s happening now, isn’t it?” She then launched into the Hillary Crimes Litany. I said, again: But that’s not relevant *now*. We then parted amicably. /10

My point? These two people will never, ever change their minds. They are not accessible to reason. They demand agreement and respect, even when they don’t give it and are themselves unreasonable. This is the cohort that neither the GOP post-Trump nor Dems will ever reach. /10


I think it solidified for me that these types of Trumpers are just lost. They’re not going to climb down, change their minds, listen to new information. Trump really could shoot them on Fifth Avenue. There’s no point in discussion, because they don’t *discuss*, they *preach*. /13

This is who they are. And, yes, they should forever be judged by their vote for Dolt45, which proved THEIR LACK OF CHARACTER.
(I want to thank Kay from Balloon Juice, who was the first person to encapsulate the reason for my contempt for Dolt45 voters. Ever since I read her explanation, it clicked for me, and I never forgot it.)

Some Democrats don’t get it. But, others do.

Others like Stacey Abrams GET IT!!



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63 Responses to Friday Open Thread | Democrats – Do Not Spend One Dime Trying to Convert Dolt45 Voters

  1. .@TGowdySC @NancyPelosi @GOP @SpeakerRyan @SenSchumer A six year old baby sexually assaulted and then abused again by those in power. These are demons among us. Folks need to go to prison for this. You too @SecNielsen.

  2. rikyrah says:


    PragmaticObotsUnite (@PragObots) Tweeted:
    RT @Travon: Finding out Ronan Farrow is writing about you is like finding out Omar is looking for you on The Wire. It won’t end well.

  3. rikyrah says:

    Neoliberal Cosmic Dancer (@EtreEtro) Tweeted:
    Ivanka Trump jewelry line embroiled in an alleged money laundering scheme, report says

  4. rikyrah says:

    54 parents wrote a letter to the American public after they were separated from their children at our southern border. Their stories go against the core of who we are as a nation. We came together to share them. WATCH: #FamiliesBelongTogether

    — Senate Democrats (@SenateDems) July 27, 2018

  5. rikyrah says:

    New evidence raises doubts about Trump admin’s Census claims
    07/26/18 10:00 AM—UPDATED 07/27/18 09:27 AM
    By Steve Benen

    The Trump administration announced in March that that the 2020 Census would include a question about citizenship status, which immediately drew swift condemnations. The criticisms were rooted in fact: the question is likely to discourage immigrants’ participation in the census, which would mean under-represented communities in the official count, affecting everything from political power to public investments.
    Almost immediately, the White House defended the move with false claims. Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters, for example, “This is a question that’s been included in every census since 1965.” That wasn’t even close to being true.

    But more important was the larger rationale: the administration said the move was precipitated by the Justice Department’s concerns about enforcing the Voting Rights Act. There’s new evidence that suggests that wasn’t true, either. The New York Times reported:

    Government emails disclosed in a federal lawsuit show that within months of taking office, the Trump administration began discussing the need to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census, contradicting initial accounts of how officials made the controversial decision.

    In May 2017, the emails show, President Trump’s chief strategist at the time, Steve Bannon, requested that Commerce Secretary Wilbur L. Ross “talk to someone about the census.” A month later, Mr. Ross began demanding that the question be added, and a top aide pledged to press Justice Department officials to say they needed better citizenship data for law enforcement.

  6. rikyrah says:

    McCaskill ID’d as first 2018 target of Russian hackers: report

    Kevin Poulsen, reporter for the Daily Beast, talks with Rachel Maddow about his reporting that the Claire McCaskill campaign’s 2018 operations have been targeted by Russian hackers using the same technique as was used against Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in 2016.

  7. rikyrah says:

    Source: Cohen ready to assert Trump knew ahead of Russia meeting

    Rachel Maddow reports breaking news from CNN, confirmed by NBC News, that Michael Cohen asserts that Donald Trump knew in advance of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer and is willing to say so to Robert Mueller. Hallie Jackson, NBC News chief White House correspondent joins with details.

  8. rikyrah says:

    Cohen lawyer: Cohen’s Trump Tower meeting news ‘not from us’

    Rachel Maddow adds to the breaking news that Michael Cohen is prepared to tell Robert Mueller that Donald Trump was aware of the Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer ahead of time, with a statement from Cohen lawyer Lanny Davis that the Cohen team is not the source of that news. Emily Jane Fox, senior reporter for Vanity Fair, joins to discuss.

  9. rikyrah says:

    Cohen’s claim Trump OK’d Trump Tower meeting potent despite leak

    Chuck Rosenberg, former senior official at the FBI and DOJ, talks with Rachel Maddow about the legal liability posed by Michael Cohen’s claim that Donald Trump knew in advance and approved of a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who claimed to have dirt on Hillary Clinton.

  10. rikyrah says:

    Hundreds of kids still separated, Trump admin tempts court rebuke

    Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigration Rights Project, talks with Rachel Maddow about what happens next as the Trump administration reaches the court-mandated deadline to reunite migrant kids with their families as it still has hundreds of kids separated and alone.

  11. rikyrah says:

    Glenn Greenwald deleted 27,000 tweets the same day Ecuador announced it would withdraw asylum from Assange:

  12. Shot in the back of the head? And cops not charged? God help us all.

  13. rikyrah says:

    Michael Cohen said he was present ‘with several others’ when Trump approved the meeting with the Russians – so we will see if any of those others will speak out and support his story

    — Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) July 27, 2018

  14. Ametia says:
  15. Ametia says:

    Word of the Day : July 27, 2018 {Absolutely describes the NRA, right now}
    adjective RET-uh-sunt

    1 : inclined to be silent or uncommunicative in speech : reserved

    2 : restrained in expression, presentation, or appearance

    3 : reluctant

  16. rikyrah says:

    The ACLU used the same facial recognition system that Amazon offers to the public, scanning for matches between images of faces. The group built a face database and search tool using 25,000 public arrest photos, then cross-referenced that data with public photos of every member of the US House and Senate.

    Of the 28 people misidentified by the ACLU’s test, 11 of them were people of color, nearly 40% of those wrongly matched, despite the fact that people of color make up only 20% of those in Congress. Six members of the Congressional Black Caucus were included in the false matches, including the civil rights leader John Lewis.

    “The ACLU’s test demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt what many of us already know – that Amazon’s facial recognition tool is discriminatory … and therefore dangerous to democracy,” said Malkia Cyril, executive director of the Center for Media Justice. “They need to roll it back immediately.”.”

  17. rikyrah says:

    Am I the only one who thinks that this week has changed the dynamic?
    And, we haven’t even had a Mueller indictment this week.But, here’s to hoping that we can end the week with that cherry on top of the sundae 😄

  18. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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