Tuesday Open Thread: The First Presidential Debate

Sigh….

Lips pursed.

No way I was going to watch it live, but I knew Twitter would not let me down.

JBL20010 • 25 minutes ago
Frank Luntz focus group of 20 undecided voters calls a TKO for Hillary.

Clinton won: 17 votes

Trump won: 3 votes

Tax question weakened him, birther question buried him.

Hercules Mulligan @johnvmoore
Next time Trump pats himself on back for making POTUS present his birth certificate someone should yell “That’s why Black folks HATE YOU!”

 

Wesley Lowery ✔ @WesleyLowery
Donald Trump just said he did black Americans a favor by questioning the legitimacy of the 1st black president.
This happened. In real life

Al Giordano @AlGiordano
I see a man choking at a podium. Who’s quack doctor should have given him antihistamines. Very Nixonian night for him.

Michael Smerconish ✔ @smerconish
He said he voluntarily settled the 1973 discrimination suit but didn’t say – we didn’t discriminate. #debatenight

From Andrew Sullivan’s Liveblog of the debate:

10:39 p.m. What can one say? I was afraid that Trump’s charisma and stage presence and salesmanship might outshine Hillary Clinton’s usually tepid and wonkish instincts. I feared that the facts wouldn’t matter; that a debate would not take place. And it is to Clinton’s great credit that she prepared, and he didn’t, and that she let him hang himself.

His utter lack of preparation; his doubling down on transparent lies; his foreign-policy recklessness; his racial animosity; his clear discomfort with the kind of exchange of views that is integral to liberal democracy; his instinctual belligerence — all these suggest someone who has long lived in a deferential bubble that has become filled with his own reality.

Clinton was not great at times; her language was occasionally stilted; she missed some obvious moments to go in for the kill; but she was solid and reassuring and composed. I started tonight believing she needed a game-changer to alter the trajectory of this race. I may, of course, be wrong, trapped in my own confirmation bias and bubble — but I thought she did just that.

I’ve been a nervous wreck these past two weeks; my nerves are calmed now.

10:38 p.m. A reader writes:

A blinking, huffing manifestation of incoherent 21st century white male rage. He is offended by the temerity of his public servant opponent while incredulous that he is clearly in the presence of a sane person who is in possession of facts and reason. Cheap country club vulgarity. The only question is – is America seeing that too?

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10:31 p.m. Clinton became the grown-up and the president in this last statement reassuring our allies. If Americans cannot see that at this point, there is, sadly, no real choice in this election. I say that as someone who is no fan of Hillary Clinton. There is simply no choice.

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8 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread: The First Presidential Debate

  1. eliihass says:

    Former President Shimon Peres has died…life…aging…death…Olav ha-Sholom..
    מִן הַשָּׁמַיִם תְּנֻחָמו

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  2. rikyrah says:

    New polling points to clear debate win for Clinton
    09/27/16 08:45 AM—UPDATED 09/27/16 10:15 AM
    By Steve Benen
    It didn’t take long a for a consensus to emerge: among pundits, partisans, and prominent political observers, there’s no real doubt that Hillary Clinton won last night’s debate. Democrats, who were rattled by recent polling, are suddenly walking with a spring in their step. Republicans, who were feeling increasingly optimistic about the presidential race, are choosing to focus on the fact that there are still more debates coming up, where Donald Trump will try to recover.

    And though it’ll be a while until we have polling data that shows what effect, if any, last night had on the overall race, overnight surveys suggest the public and the pundits are on the same page about the first Clinton/Trump showdown.
    Hillary Clinton was deemed the winner of Monday night’s debate by 62% of voters who tuned in to watch, while just 27% said they thought Donald Trump had the better night, according to a CNN/ORC Poll of voters who watched the debate. […]

    Voters who watched said Clinton expressed her views more clearly than Trump and had a better understanding of the issues by a margin of more than 2-to-1. Clinton also was seen as having done a better job addressing concerns voters might have about her potential presidency by a 57% to 35% margin, and as the stronger leader by a 56% to 39% margin.
    Also overnight, Public Policy Polling released the results of its own post-debate survey, sponsored by VoteVets Action Fund, which found less lopsided results, but which nevertheless pointed to a Clinton victory, 51% to 40%.

    The same poll found most respondents believe Clinton has the temperament to be president and is prepared for the job. A majority said the opposite about Trump.

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  3. rikyrah says:

    Debate shows Donald Trump still isn’t ready for prime time
    09/27/16 08:03 AM
    By Steve Benen

    Shortly before the first presidential debate of 2016 got underway, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a prominent Donald Trump ally, insisted that the Republican candidate would “pass the test of being adequately competent” during the showdown with Hillary Clinton. The message drew swift mockery for setting the bar for Trump success at such a woefully low level.

    But by the time the dust settled on the debate, Gingrich’s prediction looked even worse – because Trump didn’t come close to demonstrating “adequate competence.”

    After the event, Trump told reporters that debate organizers gave him “a defective mic.” He quickly added, “I wonder, was that on purpose? Was that on purpose?” Of course, there was no conspiracy involving Trump’s microphone, though all things considered, the GOP nominee might have been better off if his mic hadn’t worked and the audience didn’t hear what he had to say.

    When Trump needed to be honest, he lied. When he needed to be poised, he came unglued. When he needed to appear knowledgeable, he rambled incoherently. When he needed to prove that he’d prepared for the debate, he made clear he hadn’t done his homework.

    When Trump needed to change the trajectory of the presidential race, he offered fresh proof that he’s just not ready for prime time.

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  4. yahtzeebutterfly says:

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  5. rikyrah says:

    The REAL GOP Crime Bosses know the score….and, that’s why their checkbooks are CLOSED.

    …………….

    Quick Takes: Trump Gets Zero Support From Fortune 100 CEO’s
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    September 26, 2016 4:59 PM

    * I doubt if it matters much to his supporters, but this is exactly the kind of thing that could get under Donald Trump’s thin skin.

    No chief executive at the nation’s 100 largest companies had donated to Republican Donald Trump’s presidential campaign through August, a sharp reversal from 2012, when nearly a third of the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies supported GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

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  6. CarolMaeWY says:

    Good morning. Great round-up of tweets.

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  7. rikyrah says:

    It finally is acting like Fall around here. Broke out my first sweater of the season. 🐢😊

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  8. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning😏, Everyone😁

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