Thursday Open Thread – Fight Against GOP Tax Reform Is Really a Fight for the 20th Century

We have to fight for the 20th Century.
If we can gather the troops and stop this..
Dolt45 will realize just how much the GOP has been covering for him.
I said stopping TRUMPCARE was important, not just to save healthcare for millions, but also to force them to show their sociopathy out in the open. We are about to see it, plain and simple.
They are discussing getting rid of the deductions for state and local tax.
Here’s the thing. There are GOP congressmen in the states that they want to punish. If they vote for this, they are literally signing their career death warrant. Republicans squeal about taxes. Putting their fingerprints on something that cannot be hidden, and that the voters can directly attach to them IS career suicide.

I know these areas in my state. These are people who are Republicans because ‘ they keep my taxes low’.
That’s the first thing out their mouths.
Something that directly hits their bottom line – they are proud members of the IGMFY crowd….
The folks that I’m talking about aren’t the Baby Jesus crowd. They moved to these areas for quality of life. And especially schools. That’s why it has been hard for the charter school scammers to move into the suburbs. How you gonna sell that scam to people who specifically moved there FOR the public schools? The attack on the taxes isn’t just taxes; they will see it-and correctly so- as an attack on ‘their way of life’. ALL made possible by the taxes. These taxes are their bottom line. Taking away that deduction is HUGE. HUGE.

The GOP controls all levers of government. There’s nobody to hide behind. They didn’t get TRUMPCARE, so they have to do their sociopathy out in the open.
These are the people who have accountants. Or know accountants. You don’t think that the whispering has already started about what the lack of state and local tax deductions will do their bottom line?
And, the only thing that they can explain is that the Koch Brothers will get a tax cut and somehow it will get back to them – which they know is bullshyt.

Good luck to the GOP reps thinking that they can sell that..

The path is direct now. They have nobody to hide behind.
I looked it up: Between CT, NY, NJ, CA, MA, IL and PA, there are over 40 GOP Reps. All being asked to commit Career Suicide. That’s more than enough to take back the House.

These tax cuts are about decimating the American Social Safety Net. Repealing the New Deal. Ridding us of the 20th Century.
You see now that, when people bring up the huge deficits that these tax cuts will cause, they don’t really care about the deficit. They spent 8 years howling about it when the Black Man was President. But, now, deficits don’t really matter.
Once they get those tax cuts past, then they’ll begin whining about the deficit, and how we have to make up that by cutting social programs – never defense, but Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. It would fiscally irresponsible not to deal with the deficit…but AFTER the giveaway to the rich and corporations.

Make no mistake – we have to fight for the 20th Century.

Some Articles about the proposed ‘tax reform’ scam.

Trump’s plan to sell tax cuts for the rich is to pretend they’re not happening
But they are.
Updated by Matthew Yglesias
Sep 27, 2017, 8:00am EDT

Republicans want to pass a large tax cut for high-income households. We know that because the House GOP’s tax reform blueprint features large tax cuts for high-income households, all the various iterations of Donald Trump’s campaign tax plans featured large tax cuts for high-income households, and all throughout Barack Obama’s first term, Republicans fought relentlessly to prevent the expiration of George W. Bush’s temporary tax cuts for high-income households.

The big problem with this agenda is that it’s hideously unpopular.

According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released on September 22, for example, conservative Republicans oppose cutting taxes on higher-income people by a 42-50 margin. That’s not the overall public — that’s conservative Republicans. Naturally, Democrats are even less supportive, opposing such tax cuts by a staggering 33-62 margin. White men without a college degree — Trump’s demographic base — oppose a tax cut for the rich by a 37-60 margin, with women, nonwhite people, and college graduates all even more opposed. Rural voters oppose cutting taxes for the rich by a 36-60 margin, and suburban and urban voters are even more opposed.

No major group of Americans except Republican Party donors and elected officials wants this policy. But Republicans are trying to pass it. So the plan is to sell it by not talking about it at all.

Nobody wants Donald Trump’s corporate tax cut plan
Twenty-four percent say we need a business tax cut.
Updated by Matthew Yglesias
Sep 28, 2017, 9:50am EDT

Americans overwhelmingly want large businesses to pay more taxes rather than less. And though opinion is less unified on the question of taxing high-income households, there is still far more support for higher taxes rather than lower. A new poll from the Pew Center shows just 24 percent of Americans favor tax cuts for either large businesses or affluent families. Not even a majority self-identified Republicans like the idea of tax cuts for these groups.

By contrast, the tax breaks for rich people and big businesses are quite specific:

Households in the top income tax bracket (i.e., individuals making more than $418,000 or married couples earning more than $470,000) will definitely get their marginal tax rate cut from 39.6 percent to 35 percent.
Businesses that pay corporate income tax will see their profits taxed at a rate of 20 percent rather than 35 percent.
Partnerships and other businesses that don’t pay corporate income tax will see their top tax rate cut to 25 percent. This does nothing to help the majority of small business owners whose annual profits are less than $150,000 a year and are already paying at 25 percent. But bigger, more lucrative partnerships are getting a tax cut.

Best of all, big multinational corporations who book profits overseas will no longer owe any American corporate income tax whatsoever. Giant, highly profitable, and already cash-rich companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft will be, by far, the biggest winners here.

These specific, highly detailed tax cuts for big businesses, rich families, and owners of the bulk of the shares of big businesses are the fixed points around which everything else in the GOP’s vague tax plan is going to have to revolve. But since there is next to no public support for these ideas, the sales job is going to have to end up focusing on other things.

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61 Responses to Thursday Open Thread – Fight Against GOP Tax Reform Is Really a Fight for the 20th Century

  1. rikyrah says:

    Uh huh

    Uh huh

    President Donald Trump has personally interviewed
    at least two potential candidates for U.S. attorney positions in New
    York, according to two sources familiar with the matter — a move that critics say raises questions about whether they can be sufficiently independent from the president.

    Trump has interviewed Geoffrey Berman, who is currently at the law
    firm Greenberg Traurig for the job of U.S. attorney for the Southern
    District of New York, and Ed McNally of the firm Kasowitz Benson Torres for the Eastern District post, according to the sources.

    It was unclear when the discussions took place. Trump has not
    announced nominees for those positions. Neither Berman nor McNally responded to calls or emails requesting comment…

    The Southern District of New York is an especially notable
    position since it has jurisdiction over Trump Tower. Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney there, has asserted he was conducting an
    investigation into the Trump administration when Trump fired him along with all other U.S. attorneys — as is standard when an administration switches — earlier this year.

    It is rare for a president to interview candidates for the 93 U.S.
    attorney jobs. Former President Barack Obama never interviewed a U.S. attorney candidate during his two terms, according to Matthew Miller, who served as Justice Department spokesman under the Obama administration…

    “To be very blunt, these three jurisdictions will have authority to
    bring indictments over the ongoing special counsel investigation into
    Trump campaign collusion with the Russians and potential obstruction of justice by the president of the United States,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said in an interview Thursday. “For him to be interviewing candidates for that prosecutor who may in turn consider whether to bring indictments involving him and his administration seems to smack of political interference.”

    • eliihass says:

      He can try all he wants to try to control and preemptively skew and corrupt the process in his favor, but he will still fail..

      He will be taken down …and whoever wishes to stake their ego and reputation and hitch their greed wagons to his, will go down with him when this is all over…

      Because like it or not, this too shall pass..

    • eliihass says:

      A desperately slimy one at that, and one who should never ever have been let anywhere near, little less handed control and oversight over the CIA..

  2. eliihass says:

    Jen Psaki is definitely, definitely not who we need speaking for POTUS44 or Dems for that matter…When even the Amanda person who’s a Republican is doing a much better job arguing our side’s moral perspectives..

    Jen Psaki sucks..

    Mealy-mouthing and entirely focused on CNN gig-preservation…and spending more time concurring with the sharp-tongued, callous, slimy former aide to Bush43, who’s busy defending the buffoon with a straight face, alll while effusively praising and talking up Bush43…

    This is that stark difference between self-serving opportunists who only hitched their self-serving wagon to a historic presidency …and opportunists who are true partisan believers who will fight to the end for their beliefs and party’s core principles…As in the case of the former Bush43 aide, who’s still with a straight face, defending their party’s buffoonish standard bearer…and his callous policies..

    • eliihass says:

      Told you fam..

      Have been sounding this alarm since day one..

      They will not stop until they completely succeed in not only destroying this marriage…and dehumanizing, degrading and dismissing the phenomenal black woman who essentially shrunk herself and her own double Ivy League secured ambitions …sacrificed her own professional career ambitions and so much more…and the sane, private, unintrusive life, marriage and family she’d always dreamed of and planned for…

      They will not stop until every white woman who ever exchanged a cursory glance and hello with Michelle Obama’s husband, is fully acknowledged and given their permanent high place of importance and relevance in the life and story of Michelle Obama’s husband..

      They will not stop until they successfully feed and reinforce in the psyche of the American people and the whole world, that Michelle Obama is somehow unworthy and undeserving ..and that she was not a love desicion, but merely a political expedience to the man who had nothing and was nothing when she met him…a man she sacrificed everything for, and married and bore 2 children with…

      Will we stand by and let them do this to this phenomenal black woman, wife, mother and daughter, who has stoically sucked it up for 8+ years and counting, of targeted disrespect and dehumanaization of her …

      If we allow it, shame on us..

  3. Liza says:

    DNC Chair Tom Perez Gives Up on Unity, Rewards Loyalists
    By Michael Sainato • 10/19/17 11:30am

    This week in Las Vegas, the DNC Unity Commission is meeting in conjunction with a DNC meeting. DNC Chair Tom Perez will formally announce his appointments and nominations to DNC positions, a list of which was leaked. The shake-up has already drawn criticisms from progressives, as four prominent supporters of Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN), the progressive who ran against Perez in the February 2017 DNC chair election, were removed.

    The first trans-person elected to the DNC, Barbs Siperstein, was removed, along with Ellison’s former secretary, Alice Germond, and New Hampshire Democratic Party Chair Ray Buckley. Our Revolution Board Member James Zogby was demoted from his Executive Committee seat to an at-large nomination. “I’m concerned about the optics, and I’m concerned about the impact,” Zogby told NBC News of the changes. “I want to heal the wound of 2016.”

    Supporters of Ellison and Sen. Bernie Sanders are drastically underrepresented in Perez’s selections, and the nominations are weighted toward loyalists to Perez and Hillary Clinton. Former DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile was nominated for an at-large position and appointed to the Rules and Bylaws Committee—a divisive pick given Brazile’s record of violating the DNC Charter during the 2016 primaries at the benefit of Hillary Clinton. CNN severed ties with Brazile after leaked emails revealed she tipped off the Clinton campaign to difficult questions preceding a CNN debate and town hall. No Sanders supporters were appointed to the rules and bylaws committee.

    Several former and current lobbyists received DNC appointments and nominations, outnumbering those given to Sanders supporters. Jeff Berman, a former lobbyist for the private prison company GEO Group and the Keystone XL pipeline, received an appointment as a DNC at-large member. Jaime Harrison, a former coal lobbyist who ran for DNC chair and endorsed Perez after dropping out, was nominated for an Executive Committee at-large member position. Joanne Dowdell, a senior executive in the lobbying division for Fox News’ parent corporation, News Corp, was nominated to be an at-large member and appointed to the Resolutions Committee. Registered lobbyists Calla and Roxanne Brown were nominated to be at-large members. Clinton fundraiser and registered lobbyist Tonio Burgos was appointed to the DNC Finance Committee. Minyon Moore and Maria Cardona, senior officials at the lobbying firm Dewey Square, received an Executive Committee at-large and DNC at-large member nomination. Daniel Halpern was chosen to serve as co-chair of the DNC Finance Committee. As chairman of the Georgia Restaurant Association, Halpern played an active role in shutting down a bill that would have increased Georgia’s state minimum wage.

    Several Clinton insiders received DNC positions as well…

  4. rikyrah says:


    • eliihass says:

      Told you he and Mattis weren’t sh*t..

      Anyone who signed up with this circus was always suspect…

      And where there’s head-nodding in agreement – complete with a smirk on the face as the megalomaniac buffoon spews lies and hate …it’s clear that it’s not just enabling, but complicity and full-throated support and consent..

      Easy to see that these men are all bound together by their sense of white supremacy, and and an obvious resentment, underlying contempt even, of POTUS44…something I always suspected…

      So Kelly has now publicly confirmed his grievance …what motivates, and what he uses to ‘justify’ and rationalize his support and enabling of a treasonous buffoon with dark, unrestrained impulses…and an utter contempt of the historic POTUS who previously honorably occupied the People’s House..

      It’d be curious to now hear Mattis’ ‘sanitized’ version …for public consumption of course… what ‘officially’ powers his brazen enabling, complicity and support of white supremacy as fronted and repped by an ignorant, incurious, vile, megalomaniac no less..

      It certainly isn’t a ‘love of country’…

      Nothing ‘patriotic’ or ‘high-minded’ about Generals who despise, loathe a competent President of color, but actually put their ‘honor’ and much-touted ‘stellar reputation’ on the line in effusive defense of and vouching for a vapid traitor propelled into power by a hostile foreign entity…one set on decimating our democracy and democracitic institutions including our Intelligence Community..

      Nothing ‘honorable’ about pettiness or white supremacy …no matter how wrapped up and glossed over it is in ‘honorable’ military service…or East coast/Midwest, non-Dixie sensibilities…

      Some of the worst racists and white supremacists are well-educated, raised in the Midwest or on one of the coasts…and do not always have Beauregard’s southern twang that’s usually a dead giveaway for those who deal in those sort of hard stereotypes…

      Many of these ‘honorable’ generals – like Flynn, Mattis, Kelly etc., embedded in the military and government through successive presidencies, nurse their own resentments -and versions of bigotry and racism..

      But like I’ve said again and again, by the time this is all over, so many previously touted and celebrated folks will have been unmasked …and in the end, deservedly rubbished…

  5. Liza says:

    Breaking: ND Prosecutor Seeks “Riot” Charges Against Amy Goodman For Reporting On Pipeline Protest
    Web Exclusive OCTOBER 15, 2016

    Bismarck, North Dakota–October 15, 2016 — A North Dakota state prosecutor has sought to charge award-winning journalist Amy Goodman with participating in a “riot” for filming an attack on Native American-led anti-pipeline protesters. The new charge comes after the prosecutor dropped criminal trespassing charges.

    State’s Attorney Ladd R. Erickson filed the new charges on Friday before District Judge John Grinsteiner who will decide on Monday (October 17) whether probable cause exists for the riot charge.

    Goodman has travelled to North Dakota to face the charges and will appear at Morton County court on Monday at 1:30 p.m. local time (CDT) if the charges are approved.

    “I came back to North Dakota to fight a trespass charge. They saw that they could never make that charge stick, so now they want to charge me with rioting,” said Goodman. “I wasn’t trespassing, I wasn’t engaging in a riot, I was doing my job as a journalist by covering a violent attack on Native American protesters.”

    Democracy Now!’s report went viral online and was viewed more than 14 million times on Facebook and was rebroadcast on many outlets, including CBS, NBC, NPR, CNN, MSNBC and the Huffington Post.

  6. rikyrah says:

    Trump Understands Absolutely Nothing
    by Martin Longman
    October 19, 2017

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has scheduled a big vote-a-rama today that will culminate with a roll call on a budget resolution. It’s not entirely clear that the vote will succeed, but it’s beginning to look that way now that they’ve secured the support of John McCain. Still, even the president isn’t overly confident.

    Republicans are going for the big Budget approval today, first step toward massive tax cuts. I think we have the votes, but who knows?

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2017

    One sign that they don’t have any margin for error is that Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi came north to be present for the vote, even though he clearly should be in his bed recovering from a nasty urological infection. He was disoriented in the Capitol yesterday and needed a staff member to show him the way to the Senate chamber. It looks likely that Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky will vote against the resolution, and the maximum number of votes the Republicans can lose is two. As of now, it only looks like they will lose one vote, assuming Cochran can remain conscious throughout the vote-a-rama and cast his vote at the end.

    Two days ago, I wrote that the Senate Republicans, for their own good, should not approve this budget resolution, because it will set them on a disastrous course. It almost appears that the president agrees with me, but the truth is that he has absolutely no idea what is going on.

  7. rikyrah says:

    I’ll say it again – I believe everything in the dossier is true.

    Trump’s Attack on FBI Signals His Concern About Steele Dossier
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    October 19, 2017

    Do you remember when Donald Trump accused his predecessor of wiretapping him? He also accused Obama’s national security advisor, Susan Rice, of illegally unmasking the names of Trump campaign staff in intelligence reports. Both claims were proven false. Today, he did it again.

    Workers of firm involved with the discredited and Fake Dossier take the 5th. Who paid for it, Russia, the FBI or the Dems (or all)?

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2017

    Since it was written in the form of a question, the president might claim plausible deniability that he just accused the FBI of paying for the Steele dossier. But his inference is reprehensible. He even suggests that the FBI might have colluded with the Russians (and Democrats) to produce the dossier.

    There are signs that all of this is a planned strategy to create a distraction for the president. First of all, while we don’t know the names of particular individuals or groups that were involved, it has been widely reported that Fusion GPS (the firm that employed Christopher Steele) was initially hired by “Never Trump” Republicans during the 2016 primary. Once Trump won the nomination, Democratic donors funded the continuing efforts. There’s no story there.

  8. rikyrah says:

    How come nobody here told me about This Is Us?
    I have come late, but I love this show.

  9. rikyrah says:

    We are watching intentional genocide of a US Territory. #Trumpfuckery

    — bardgal (@bardgal) October 19, 2017

  10. rikyrah says:

    URGENT: The @FCC is expected to announce a vote on #netneutrality the day before Thanksgiving. Call Congress now!

    — Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) October 18, 2017

  11. rikyrah says:

    Oh, I’m sure Bobby Three Sticks heard…loud and clear.

    I’m at a loss: Sessions made *big* news today—he spoke to Kislyak about sanctions at the RNC *and* in September—and no one is discussing it.

    — Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) October 19, 2017

  12. rikyrah says:

    Lawd Hammercy.

    Dubya Speaks.

    Former President George W. Bush warned Thursday that the United States of America was being ripped apart by external and internal strife — citing both Russian operations and white supremacists.

    “Parts of Europe have developed an identity crisis,” Bush said in a speech sponsored by the George W. Bush Institute in New York. “We have seen insolvency, economic stagnation, youth unemployment, anger about immigration, resurgent ethno-nationalism and questions about the meaning and durability of the European Union. America is not immune. In recent decades public confidence in our institutions has declined, our governing class has often been paralyzed in the face of obvious and pressing needs, the American dream of upward mobility seems out of reach to some who feel left behind in a changing economy, discontent deepened and sharpened partisan conflicts, our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication, there are some signs that the intensity of support for democracy itself has waned — especially among the young.”

    “We’ve seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity, disagreement escalates into dehumanization,” Bush continued.

    The former Republican president then referenced a number of issues that have circulated around President Donald Trump and his supporters.
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    “We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism, forgotten the dynamism immigration has always brought to America, the fading value of trade, we’ve seen the return of isolationist sentiments forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge. In all these ways, we need to recall and recover our own identity.”

    Bush said the United States needed to harden its defenses against Russia, which has used social media in a disinformation campaign targeting Americans. He also said the U.S. government needed to ensure its voting system was protected from cyber attacks.

  13. rikyrah says:

    Roy Moore falsely claims kneeling protests are ‘against the law’
    10/19/17 10:00 AM
    By Steve Benen


    Senate candidate Roy Moore believes that professional athletes who take a knee during the national anthem are breaking the law.

    In an interview with TIME magazine, the Alabama Republican argued that NFL players and others who have protested police violence are violating a section of the U.S. code which outlines how people should conduct themselves when the anthem is played. (The code merely outlines proper etiquette, and there are no legal penalties outlined in the law.)

    “It’s against the law, you know that?” he said. “It was an act of Congress that every man stand and put their hand over their heart. That’s the law.”

    No, it’s not. There is no such law. In fact, if Congress tried to pass such a law, it’d be unconstitutional under existing Supreme Court precedent. As one justice famously wrote, ”[T]hose who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.”

  14. rikyrah says:

    Trump’s health care ‘incoherence’ undermines bipartisan deal
    10/19/17 09:23 AM
    By Steve Benen

    Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) has earned a reputation for being pretty mild-mannered, and we don’t usually hear her publicly express frustrations with other policymakers. But yesterday, as the AP reported, even Murray found Donald Trump erraticism hard to take.

    President Donald Trump is proving to be an erratic trading partner as he kicks thorny policy issues to Congress and then sends conflicting signals about what he really wants.

    His rapid backpedal on a short-term health care fix this week is the latest example to leave Republicans and Democrats alike scratching their heads.

    “The president has had six positions on our bill,” an exasperated Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said Wednesday after Trump offered multiple reads on a bipartisan plan to keep health insurance markets in business, ultimately ending with a thumbs-down.

  15. rikyrah says:

    Brennan: ‘Implausible’ Russians had no US cooperation on election
    Rachel Maddow shares video of former CIA director John Brennan explaining that he thinks it is implausible that Russians were not able to get some help, wittingly or unwittingly, from Americans in their mission to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election.

  16. rikyrah says:

    They are not patriots. They are TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY.

    Sessions testimony reveals no DoJ plan to protect elections
    Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, talks with Rachel Maddow about testimony from Jeff Sessions in which he reveals that the Justice Department does not have a plan to protect future elections from outside influence.

  17. rikyrah says:

    Maddow: What is Trump hiding about U.S. military in Niger?
    Rachel Maddow points out that for all the attention given to Trump’s disgraceful behavior toward gold star families, the actual question Trump was asked was about Niger. Why the Trump distraction?

  18. rikyrah says:

    Trump disgrace laid bare in interactions with gold star families
    Rachel Maddow struggles to process how it could be reality that Donald Trump has picked a fight with the families of people who died in service to the United States, to whom Americans owe a debt, not an insult.

  19. rikyrah says:

    The check Trump promised to send to a grieving father, but didn’t
    10/19/17 08:00 AM
    By Steve Benen

    In January 2016, Donald Trump held a fundraiser in Iowa for veterans’ charities, and at the end of the event, the Republican made a bold boast: he’d raised $6 million for vets, and he’d contributed $1 million out of his own pocket.
    A few months later, the public learned that neither of Trump’s claims were true: he’d exaggerated the total amount of donations, and the money Trump vowed to contribute from his personal finances hadn’t been sent. The then-candidate scrambled to send the money only after journalists began asking about his broken promise.

    Something eerily similar happened yesterday.

    We talked briefly about the Washington Post’s reporting on Chris Baldridge, whose son, Army Cpl. Dillon Baldridge, was killed in Afghanistan. The president called the father directly and said something unexpected.

    President Trump, in a personal phone call to a grieving military father, offered him $25,000 and said he would direct his staff to establish an online fundraiser for the family, but neither happened, the father said.

    A White House spokesperson insisted yesterday that a check “has been sent,” and described the line of inquiry as “disgusting.” But that led to an obvious question: did Trump send the money or not?

    As it turns out, the White House did send the check – yesterday. In other words, Trump kept his promise months after the fact, but only when confronted with questions, just like when he lied last year about the money he’d donated to veterans’ charities.

  20. rikyrah says:

    Vox’s Matt Yglesias explained yesterday, shaping a more progressive tax-cut plan is pretty straightforward:

    You’d start with some tax policy measures that benefit people at the bottom and the middle of the economic hierarchy. An expanded Child Tax Credit, something that some Republicans support, would help an enormous number of poor and middle-class families – especially if it were made fully refundable. An expanded Earned Income Tax Credit, including provisions to allow childless men to benefit, would do the same.

    And then of course you could add in an old-fashioned rate cut. Drop the 10 percent bracket to 9 or 8 or 7 depending on your taste. Or modestly cut the payroll tax.

  21. rikyrah says:

    They want their tax cuts and they want them NOW, YOU MOOCHERS!!!
    HOW DARE you peasants question whether our overlords should get their tax cuts!

    Team Trump suggests it’s ‘hard not to give tax cuts to the wealthy’
    10/19/17 08:40 AM
    By Steve Benen
    Republican policymakers are confronting all kinds of challenges while trying to advance some kind of tax reform package, and near the top is a political problem: Americans don’t want to see the wealthy get another giant tax break, and that appears to be the centerpiece of the GOP plan.

    For the most part, Donald Trump and his allies have largely dealt with this dilemma by lying – the president has repeatedly said working-class Americans would be the main beneficiaries, which is absurdly untrue – but Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin made a very different case to Politico this week. As Mnuchin sees it, Republicans are giving the rich a big tax cut, but only because it’s too darn difficult not to.

    Mnuchin also changed course somewhat in his defense of the GOP’s tax blueprint, conceding it would slash taxes on the wealthy but that doing so was unavoidable because rich people already pay so much in tax.

    “The top 20 percent of the people pay 95 percent of the taxes. The top 10 percent of the people pay 81 percent of the taxes,” he said. “So when you’re cutting taxes across the board, it’s very hard not to give tax cuts to the wealthy with tax cuts to the middle class. The math, given how much you are collecting, is just hard to do.”


    Republicans, as Steve Mnuchin apparently conceded, aren’t doing that at all. Indeed, not only are they pushing an across-the-board tax cut that necessarily helps those at the top, they’re adding insult to injury by adding additional tax breaks – such as cutting the estate tax – that exclusively benefit the wealthiest of the wealthy.

    This is the result of deliberate policymaking. Mnuchin presented these results this week as some kind of arithmetical necessity, but that’s ridiculous. Republicans have made a choice to help the wealthy, and that choice is reflected in their proposal.

  22. yahtzeebutterfly says:

    The Gators at the University of Florida have united in LOVE with signs all over campus.

    Love DOES win against people like Richard Spencer.

    Some of the signs created by the students say

    “Love Not Hate #TogetherUF”

    “Love Wins”

    “Gators Not Haters”

    “CTRL Alt-Right DELETE”

    “One Race Human Race”

    “All Life Is Precious”

    “Love Has No Color”

    “Love Has No Limits”


    “One Love ❤️ One Heart”

    “Non-Violence Is the Weapon of the Strong”

    “In All Kinds of Weather We All Stick Together”

    “Let Your Love Light Shine”

  23. rikyrah says:

    44 in the house!

    Obama to rally at Richmond Convention Center

    — WTVR CBS 6 Richmond (@CBS6) October 18, 2017

  24. rikyrah says:

    He’s the Patrion Saint for White Supremacist Steve Bannon and only ‘ Seems Racist’?

    Robert Mercer Seems Really Racist
    by Martin Longman
    October 18, 2017 P

    With an assist from Charles Pierce, I can across an article in Vanity Fair that details allegations made in court filings against Robert Mercer by a former business associate named David Magerman. I am not surprised by Mercer’s banal views on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its effects, but I am relieved to see Mercer’s views on what’s “not important.”

    In court papers filed on Friday, Magerman argues that following a pair of phone conversations in which Mercer expressed arguably racist opinions, Magerman felt obliged to inform the press about his boss’s viewpoints—and that he received verbal assurance by Renaissance C.O.O. Mark Silber that the statements he intended to make were “permissible under company policy.” Those racist opinions, according to Magerman, included comments such as: a) The United States began to go in the wrong direction after the passage of the Civl Rights Act in the 1960s; b) African Americans were doing fine in the late-1950s and early-1960s before the Civil Rights Act; c) The Civil Rights Act “infantilized” African Americas by making them dependent on government and removing any incentive to work;d) The only racist people remaining in the United States are black; and e) White people have no racial animus toward African Americans anymore, and if there is any, is it not something that the government should be concerned with.

    The best part of the filing, at least to us, was that when Magerman “point[ed] out that society was segregated before the Civil Rights Act and African Americans were required to use separate and inferior schools, water fountains, and other everyday services and items,” Mercer allegedly responded that “those issues were not important.” In a subsequent phone conversation (the “white supremacist” one), Magerman claimed Mercer initially “disputed that he had said such things, although he did not actually deny saying them” and “in the course of rehashing the conversation . . . repeated many of these same views, and even cited research that allegedly supported his opinion that the Civil Rights Act harmed African Americans economically.” (A spokesman for Renaissance declined to comment.)


    Robert Mercer may be the first person I’ve heard argue that all the depredations that blacks suffered under the Jim Crow regime were “not important.” His reasoning seems to be that blacks were “doing fine” under that regime when compared to what came after the major civil rights legislation of the 1960’s.

    Even if you could find some metrics to support this argument, it’s unusual to say that the Civil Rights Act was to blame.

    But this is allegedly how Robert Mercer feels, and that probably explains why he funds Breitbart News and is Trump’s biggest benefactor. The view that blacks were better off when they lacked full citizenship and that their welfare had nothing to do with their ability to vote or find housing or have equal access to public accommodations, these are not mainstream Republican or conservative views. They take a noxious and highly contentious set of beliefs about government programs and put them on racist steroids.

    With this set of beliefs, you could justify doing almost anything to the black community on the premise that they’d actually be better off.

  25. rikyrah says:

    The war widow and the ambulatory sputum
    by Liberal Librarian


    The idea that this pile of bovine excrement would be able to show the slightest shred of empathy for a fallen soldier—especially if that soldier were African-American—is laughable. This is the man who tossed rolls of paper towels to people in Puerto Rico who had no food, water, or electricity. He is quite simply a sociopath, unable to consider any human emotion unless it impacts him directly. Say what you want about George W. Bush, but no reports ever came out of a military family being insulted after receiving a call from him on the death of a loved one. Trump is missing the part in normal humans which allows for empathy, for seeing other people through their eyes. Moreover, he’s a really bad sociopath. He can’t even fake empathy.

    This is why the appellation “Moron Hitler” is apt. Like Hitler, he is completely devoid of warmth for fellow human beings. No one’s suffering touches him. He is unfeeling and uncaring. And that is a dangerous type of man to have at command of a superpower’s military forces.

  26. rikyrah says:

    Lost in the shytstorm about the disrespect of Sgt. Johnson’s family was the news that Melania has a body double. There’s something so absolutely patently absurd about that..I can barely wrap my mind around it. They are so phony and disingenuous that they have a double for the plastic First Lady who doesn’t do shyt already.

    You really can’t make this stuff up. No studio head would accept this in a Hollywood script.

  27. rikyrah says:

    U.S. judge pushes back against Trump administration’s view of emoluments clause in lawsuit by watchdog group

    — Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) October 18, 2017

    So the check wasn’t in the mail, after all.

    — David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) October 18, 2017

  28. rikyrah says:

    “We have to let Spencer speak because of free speech.” Ok, can I go in and cover his speech. “No.”

    — Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) October 18, 2017

    University of Florida has given Richard Spencer full control over which journalists will be allowed inside the venue to cover his speech.

    — Lois Beckett (@loisbeckett) October 18, 2017

  29. rikyrah says:

    Surrealistic scene yesterday at World Bank meetings as Ivanka reinvents herself as a development economist

    — William Easterly (@bill_easterly) October 15, 2017

  30. rikyrah says:

    SecDef Schlesinger ordered intervention if Nixon ordered nuclear strike. Mattis please take note.

    — Sheldon Whitehouse (@SenWhitehouse) October 19, 2017

  31. rikyrah says:

    Wow. The GoFundMe campaign to pay for college for Sgt. Johnson’s children has hit $520,000+ in about two days.

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 19, 2017

  32. rikyrah says:

    Voter suppression laws threw Wisconsin to Trump, and possibly the whole election. Read @AriBerman’s cover story:

    — Aaron Wiener (@aaronwiener) October 19, 2017

  33. rikyrah says:

    BREAKING: Trump campaign coordinating messaging with Kremlin Twitter account days before election.

    — Eric Garland (@ericgarland) October 19, 2017

  34. rikyrah says:

    It has been a long week. I don’t know if you caught it, but Ari Melber interviewed the parents of a fallen soldier that Dolt45 couldn’t find the time to call or send a letter. The raw, open pain expressed by the mother broke my heart 😥😥

    If a letter could bring my son back I would run to D.C. to get it
    Gold Star parents, Sheila and Calvin Murphy, talk about their son who was killed in Syria. 22-year-old Army Specialist Etienne Murphy died in May after an armored vehicle he was in rolled over

    And, that lying, disgusting piece of trash hadn’t even contacted them..

    • Liza says:

      If they can make this happen, then it’s well and good.

      Now that Trump has injected his fat ass into the “controversy”, then taking this protest to the next level of activism is logical. I hope these young men are successful.

  35. Ametia says:

    Leaving this here.

  36. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😐😐😐

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