Tuesday Open Thread

Good Morning, Everyone. I hope you have a drama-free day.

Early recordings and initial success:

Later in 1962, Gaye released his first charted hit, “Stubborn Kind of Fellow”, which peaked in the low top 50 of the Billboard Hot 100 and reached the top ten on the R&B side. Gaye’s first top 40 pop song, “Hitch Hike”, was soon followed by his first top-10 hit single, “Pride & Joy”. Other hit singles during this period including “Can I Get a Witness”, “You Are a Wonderful One” and “Try It Baby”. In 1964, he scored his first hit duets with singer Mary Wells including “Once Upon a Time”, which was later featured on the duo’s album, Together, which became Gaye’s first charted album. Gaye’s success grew the following year after three of his singles, “How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You)”, “I’ll Be Doggone” and “Ain’t That Peculiar”, reached the top-10 and sold a million copies. Gaye notched his next duet success late the following year with Kim Weston, on the song, “It Takes Two”.

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66 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread

  1. rikyrah says:

    from paul krugman’s blog:

    ‘ Hmm. A late thought about the discussion on This Week. I suggested that it was the job of the news media to check on and report falsehoods from politicians. The response of the other panelists was that the media can’t do that if the opposing candidates didn’t make an issue of it — which as far as I can tell makes no sense at all.

    But even granted that, the fact is that the Obama campaign is making an issue of Romney’s falsehoods, or at least trying to. Yet this is apparently considered unworthy of attention, because Obama didn’t make a forceful attack right there on the spot.

    So let’s see if I have this straight: it’s not the job of the press to take on political falsehoods unless the other side makes a forceful case in 30 seconds or less. Glad to see that this has been clarified. ‘


  2. rikyrah says:

    utaustinliberal @utaustinliberal
    Team Obama’s ground game is amazing. As Pres. Obama concludes #OhioState rally, they’re registering & busing students to polling places

  3. Ametia says:

    DAMN!PBO’s accent is too HAWT!

  4. Mitt Romney CNN Interview: The 47% Comment Is ‘Not What I Meant’


    WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney again distanced himself from his infamous 47 percent comments caught on video at a private fundraiser in May, telling CNN in an interview Tuesday night that, “the words that came out were not what I meant.”

    This is the second time in as many weeks that the Republican nominee abandoned his position that the sentiment he expressed when he called 47 percent of the country government-dependent, self-identified victims was correct but poorly worded. Last week, he told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that the comment was “completely wrong” as opposed to ineloquently stated.

  5. I Believe The Word You’re Looking For Is “Boy.”


    Soonergrunt and I saw this at about the same time*, but here’s that survivor of adversity Josh Romney commenting on the nature and character of the President of the United States (via TPM):

    “I don’t know if you guys saw the debate last week,” Josh Romney said, as the crowd cheered and applauded. “I take a lot of pride in that, because — I don’t know if you noticed, but I was — me and my brothers were responsible for my dad doing so well…

    “So as a father, he learned how to debate an obstinate child. We had a lot of fun, we had a lot of fun watching the debate.”

    Well I’ll be damn! “obstinate child”? He wants to call the President a boy. WTF? I hear the whistle, you mofo! Josh Romney, take some of your daddy’s money and buy yourself some class. Dog whistling pos.

  6. President Obama greeted supporters at Ohio State University on Tuesday in Columbus, Ohio


    COLUMBUS — President Barack Obama took full advantage of the 15,000 supporters gathered in the Ohio State University oval for his speech Tuesday, firing them up and having his campaign drive them immediately to register and vote.

  7. Supporters wait for President Barack Obama to speak during a campaign event at The Ohio State University Oval Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2012, in Columbus, Ohio. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak) / AP

    • Ametia says:

      NO WAY PBO is going to lose Ohio with these crowds of VOTERS going to the polls.

      SoS Husted can try all he likes to suppress voters, but HE.WILL.FAIL.

  8. President Obama speaks during a campaign event at Ohio State University in Columbus

  9. Ametia says:

    New Video; Ann Romney Responds To The Charge That Mitt ‘Lied’ in the Debate: “Lied About What?”…”They Lost!”..This is “Poor Sportsmanship”


  10. Ametia says:


  11. Awww! Upset With Coverage, Jack Welch Quits Fortune Magazine


    Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric who recently suggested the Obama administration had manipulated last week’s jobs numbers, has resigned from his role as a contributor to Fortune magazine.

    “Welch said he will no longer contribute to Fortune following critical coverage of the former CEO of General Electric, saying he would get better ‘traction’ elsewhere,” Fortune’s senior editor Stephen Gandel reports today.

    Welch became synonymous with a jobs-numbers-truther movement Friday when he tweeted, “Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers.” Fortune managing editor Andy Serwer publicly criticized those remarks yesterday on MSNBC, and today ran a story citing Welch’s record as a “job destroyer” during the 20 years he ran General Electric.

    Sexy Girl Middle Finger

  12. rikyrah says:

    Posted at 01:29 PM ET, 10/09/2012
    Dem pollster delivers wake up call to Obama
    By Greg Sargent
    Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is not known for flinching from delivering bad news to Democratic politicians, and his new diagnosis of Obama’s slippage in the polls is no exception.

    Greenberg told me in an interview that his new research persuaded him that Mitt Romney beat Obama in the debate for a simple reason. Unmarried women — a critical piece of Obama’s coalition — did not hear Obama telling him how they would make their lives better. By contrast, they did hear Romney telling them he’d improve their lives.

    Greenberg says the research also indicates a clear route to winning reelection, however. “This is a major turning point and an opportunity for the president,” he says.

    Greenberg did dial sessions among Colorado swing voters during the debate, and also conducted post-debate questionnaires. He found that unmarried women didn’t respond to Obama’s vow to improve the economy — which they found lacking in a clear overarching message.

    “They heard nothing there that was relevant to them,” Greenberg says. “They were not hearing about issues or problems or things that Obama would do that affect their lives.”

    Romney, however, succeeded in communicating with unmarried women, Greenberg says, by prefacing talk of his five point plan with an extended discussion of the economic strain of middle-income Americans — which Greenberg calls an effective “set up that gave his details meaning.”

    “When Romney talked about what he is going to do for the middle class, his five point plan, they were very responsive,” Greenberg says. “The president had a lot of detail but didn’t have the set up in values.”


  13. rikyrah says:

    Giving ‘independent, non-partisan’ an entirely new meaning
    By Steve Benen-
    Tue Oct 9, 2012 11:20 AM EDT.

    Within about 12 hours of last week’s debate, both the Obama and Romney campaigns released new TV ads, both on tax policy. The president’s ad noted his challenger’s misleading rhetoric on the size of Romney’s proposed $5 trillion tax cut.

    Romney’s ad pushed a very different message.

    At a certain level, this is the latest in Romney’s “I’m rubber and you’re glue” strategy. Obama says Republicans will kill Medicare, so Romney says Democrats will kill Medicare. Obama says Republicans are waging a war on women, so Romney says Democrats are waging a war on women. Obama says Romney is keeping policy details secret until after the election, so Romney says Obama is keeping policy details secret until after the election.

    And Obama says Romney’s plan would lead to middle-class tax increases, so Romney launches an ad saying Obama’s plan would lead to middle-class tax increases. The GOP campaign desperately wants to muddy the waters so that voters who care about key issues assume the candidates are essentially the same, or at least equally offensive.

    But this particular ad is more glaring than most. It touts an “independent, non-partisan study” which concludes that “Barack Obama and the liberals” will raise taxes on the middle class by $4,000 per family.

    And what’s wrong with that? First, as my friend Allen McDuffee reported, the “independent, non-partisan study” is actually an analysis — not a study — by the American Enterprise Institute’s Alex Brill. Is AEI non-partisan? As a technical, legal matter it is, but “ideologically, one would be hard-pressed to find somebody at AEI who didn’t identify themselves as conservative.”

    Second, the AEI analysis is itself dubious.


  14. rikyrah says:

    Posted at 08:44 AM ET, 10/09/2012
    The Morning Plum: How to know whether Romney has really changed the race
    By Greg Sargent

    The polls over the weekend presented mixed evidence as to whether Mitt Romney is surging. Gallup’s tracking found a dead heat before reverting to a five point lead for Obama. Pew, meanwhile, found that Romney now leads Obama by four points among registered voters, though the polling guru types think this is implausible. And several swing state polls showed Obama with uncomfortably small leads in states he previously dominated — Pennsylvania and Michigan — as well as small leads in Colorado and Virginia.

    Taken all together, the polling suggests that Romney’s post-debate bounce has subsided. Polling observers believe Obama holds a modest national lead, in keeping with the overall dynamic, which is that a weak recovery narrowly favors the incumbent.

    But a looming test of the significance of the fallout from the debate and the good unemployment news comes in one state alone: Ohio.

    The Romney campaign is redoubling its advertising and campaigning in the state. This is a sign of renewed confidence, since Romney had previously been trailing so badly here that some Republicans were openly gaming out routes to 270 without it.

    If you want to know whether Romney’s post-debate surge really means he now has a real shot at winning, the forthcoming polls from Ohio will be key. If Romney can’t make great strides towards closing the gap here, it’s very possible everything else will be moot, since the electoral math without the state is extremely daunting for him. What’s more, Ohio is the ultimate test as to whether Romney is genuinely overcoming the most fundamental problems that had bedeviled his candidacy. Dems have long believed Romney’s pedigree and profile make him exactly the wrong fit for this Rust Belt state, with its large population of blue collar whites. Dems have savaged Romney unrelentingly here with ads hitting him over offshore accounts, China investments, and Bain layoffs and offshoring. A recent poll found that only 38 percent in Ohio think Romney cares about the needs and problems of people like them.


  15. rikyrah says:



    Hurting Goldman Sachs’ feelings
    By Steve Benen

    Tue Oct 9, 2012 1:35 PM EDT.

    Since President Obama took office, corporate earnings and profits have soared. The major stock market indexes have grown at a remarkable pace. After a decade in which private sector employment struggled badly, American businesses have added over 5 million jobs in the last two years.

    One might think, against a backdrop like this one, Wall Street would not only be delighted, but would also be reluctant to change course. But that’s not the case at all — the financial industry has come to hate President Obama with the heat of a thousand suns. This includes Goldman Sachs, which supported Obama in the past, but which has now invested heavily in Mitt Romney and Romney’s super PAC.

    I can appreciate why financial giants like Goldman Sachs would be somewhat cross — Obama did create new safeguards and layers of accountability for Wall Street — but the whining is a bit much.

    The last straw for many came two weeks later. At the annual White House Correspondents Dinner, the president drew laughs at their expense. “All of the jokes here tonight are brought to you by our friends at Goldman Sachs,” Mr. Obama said, referring to the SEC allegations. “So you don’t have to worry — they make money whether you laugh or not.”


  16. rikyrah says:

    Husted appealing Ohio early voting to U.S. Supreme Court
    By Laura Conaway
    Tue Oct 9, 2012 12:50 PM EDT.

    Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has announced that he will appeal a court ruling allowing more early voting to the U.S. Supreme Court. His decision means that voters in the key swing state of Ohio still do not know how long early voting lasts. Husted’s Republican Party tried to cut early voting by half this year, and they were able to cut only the last three days, including the final weekend and Monday before the election. On Friday, a federal court ruled that counties could allow those days.

    From Husted’s statement:

    The court is saying that all voters must be treated the same way under Ohio law, but also grants Ohio’s 88 elections boards the authority to establish 88 different sets of rules. That means that one county may close down voting for the final weekend while a neighboring county may remain open. How any court could consider this a remedy to an equal protection problem is stunning.

    “While I will be asking the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold Ohio law through the appeals process, the last thing I want to see is a non-uniform system where voters will be treated differently in all 88 counties.

    People who have followed Husted in recent months will remember that he voted to allow different sets of rules in different counties — specifically with the effect that Republican-leaning counties got more time to vote than Democratic-leaning counties. An outcry from “antagonists,” as he described them in August, forced him to change course.

    Early voting was especially popular with African-American voters in 2008; in Cleveland, they were 26 times more likely to vote early and in person than white voters.


  17. rikyrah says:

    North Carolina Blacks for Obama, Key in 2008, are Uncertain in ’12

    Dexter Hady, a black landscaper here, is exactly the kind of Obama supporter who could have slipped through the cracks this year. He recently moved to a new address and, not being as excited about the coming election as he was about the 2008 campaign, neglected to update his voter registration.

    By chance, a volunteer for the Obama campaign stopped Mr. Hady outside of the Wake County Courthouse here recently and asked him if he was prepared to vote. Mr. Hady said no, and went on to explain: “I can say I was definitely more excited to vote for Obama last time. I guess part of it is that history has already been made.”

    For the Obama campaign, it is almost impossible to overstate the importance of winning over people like Mr. Hady again in North Carolina, which has the largest percentage of black voters of any of the swing states — especially in the wake of President Obama’s performance in the first debate on Wednesday, which was widely seen as lackluster. In 2008, a strong black turnout that voted almost exclusively for Mr. Obama was credited with helping to turn North Carolina blue for the first time in decades, contributing to his ultimate victory.

    For that to happen again, Mr. Obama would need a near repeat of black voter behavior in Raleigh and across the state. But times have changed. Enthusiasm is down, unemployment is up. And some socially conservative black ministers in North Carolina, where voters passed a referendum against gay marriages and civil unions in May, remain troubled that Mr. Obama endorsed same-sex marriage this year.

    “When I voted for Obama in the previous election, I did think he was closer to my values,” said the Rev. Dr. John H. Grant, 58, a black Baptist pastor in Asheville, N.C. “I’m pretty much undecided right now.”

    In 2008, Mr. Obama received 95 percent of the black vote nationally, and in North Carolina, virtually every black woman who voted did so for Mr. Obama, along with 87 percent of black men, according to exit polls.


  18. rikyrah says:



    Ohio Official Will Take Early Voting Decision to Supreme Court


    COLUMBUS, Ohio — The Ohio secretary of state, Jon Husted, said Tuesday that he would appeal to the Supreme Court a decision by a federal appeals court last week that sided with President Obama’s campaign, allowing expanded early voting in the final three days before the election.

    “This is an unprecedented intrusion by the federal courts into how states run elections and because of its impact on all 50 states as to who and how elections will be run in America we are asking the Supreme Court to step in and allow Ohioans to run Ohio elections,” Mr. Husted, a Republican, said in a statement.

    The United States Court of appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled on Friday that Ohio voters would be “irreparably injured” by a decision from the secretary of state that called for eliminating three days of in-person early voting Nov. 3 to Nov. 5. The court said the decision could be left to individual counties.

    But Mr. Husted, who has pushed for bringing uniformity to election laws across the 88 counties in Ohio, said Tuesday that he found the ruling to be “stunning” and a violation of equal protection because voters would be treated differently.

    “This ruling not only doesn’t make legal sense, it doesn’t make practical sense,” Mr. Husted said. “The court is saying that all voters must be treated the same way under Ohio law, but also grants Ohio’s 88 elections boards the authority to establish 88 different sets of rules. That means that one county may close down voting for the final weekend while a neighboring county may remain open.”

    The decision to appeal the federal court’s ruling came as President Obama and Mitt Romney were both set to campaign on Tuesday in Ohio, where the 18 electoral votes are critical to the outcome of the November election.

    Republican legislators in Ohio passed a law last year to restrict early voting in the state in the final three days before the election. Democrats challenged the law in court, saying it was unconstitutional to eliminate the opportunity for all voters to cast ballots in person because active military members and their families could still vote on those days.


    • Ametia says:

      Not surprised by this snake’s move. Romney can’t win without OHIO. so let’s supress those black votes! NOT.GONNA.HAPPEN. MUTHAFUCKAS!

  19. Ametia says:

    Deadly Meningitis Outbreak Highlights the Need for Strengthened FDA Regulations

    By Tara Culp- Ressler

    On Monday, U.S. health officials warned that up to 13,000 Americans across 23 states could have been exposed to a strain of fungal meningitis that has been traced to contaminated steroid shots produced by a Massachusetts-based compounding pharmacy. The deadly meningitis outbreak — causing a potentially fatal inflammation of the brain or central nervous system — has already resulted in over 100 cases and eight deaths.

    Although more than half of the estimated 56,000 U.S. pharmacies across the country practice compounding — repackaging or recombining medications on a large scale, in an attempt to keep down the costs of filling prescriptions — the FDA cannot oversee this sector of the pharmaceutical industry. The FDA has authority over drug manufacturers, not pharmacies, so drugs that are compounded at pharmacies do not currently have to meet the agency’s guidelines to ensure they are safe or effective.

    In order to mitigate potential public health risks stemming from compounded drugs, Democratic lawmakers and health advocates are calling on Congress to strengthen FDA’s regulatory oversight in the area:
    “These compounding pharmacies are operating now on a scale where (regulation) should be a priority,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal, a member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, who is urging hearings and an investigation in prelude to new legislation.


  20. Ametia says:

    Romney’s foreign policy speech yesterday showed why he isn’t ready to be commander-in-chief. Rather than present meaningful specifics or outline how he’d defend American interests abroad, Mitt Romney chose to give a foreign policy speech that was full of platitudes but free of substance. Truth Team highlights how experts joined newspapers across the country in criticizing the speech as “vague, uninstructive, and emblematic of a candidate who lacks a cohesive foreign policy vision”: http://bit.ly/SMiQtm

    Romney’s speech was also peppered with false attacks. AMERICAblog points out that Romney’s claim that President Obama hasn’t signed any free trade agreements is simply inaccurate: http://bit.ly/PTsMuJ

    “When it comes to lies and half-truths,” writes Slate’s Fred Kaplan, “Romney saves his best stuff for foreign policy.” http://slate.me/Tel6nj

    • Ametia says:

      Beyond the platitudes, Romney didn’t distinguish how his foreign policy would differ from President Obama’s: http://bit.ly/VKJvY9

      “When Romney does get specific, it exposes a disturbing ignorance.” Ben Adler on Romney’s speech: http://bit.ly/VWpDQj

      Karoli on why it appears Romney is still stuck in a Cold War time-warp: http://bit.ly/PlIKD4

      • Ametia says:

        In case you missed it, Romney decided he was too busy to appear alongside President Obama for a Nickelodeon Q&A forum with kids nationwide. “That’s several million kids who actually want to get involved in the democratic process,” said Linda Ellerbee, the show’s host and executive producer. “They don’t deserve to be dissed.” http://apne.ws/T1LVvm

        Strollerderby: “When you respect children, you’ll fight for them and their needs.” http://bit.ly/QaVjhD

  21. Ametia says:


  22. rolandsmartin‏@rolandsmartin

    Affirmative Action On Trial: High Court To Hear Case Brought By White Student Who Claims Race Cost Her Admission… http://fb.me/1ZRjRipnK

  23. Ametia says:

    Romney campaign moves staff out of Pennsylvania
    Source: CBS News

    The Romney campaign is moving five staffers from Pennsylvania to Ohio in order to help out with efforts in the Buckeye State.

    “With early voting already underway in Ohio but 96% of voting taking place on election day in Pennsylvania, these 5 of 64 staff will be better utilized in Ohio right now,” one Romney aide told CBS News.

    The campaign is not entirely pulling out of Pennsylvania, however, contrary to reports suggesting otherwise. Neither is the Republican National Committee or their “Victory” operation. Between the campaign and the national party, there are 24 offices in Pennsylvania, and 40 in Ohio.

    By contrast, President Obama’s campaign has 45 offices in Pennsylvania, and 120 in Ohio.

    Romney was recently in Pennsylvania for a fundraiser in Philadelphia and a campaign stop at Valley Forge Military Academy & College on September 28, but, prior to that, had not been to the state for over a month. He has been in Ohio much more frequently, and has three events there tomorrow – two events with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, and then a concert with country musician Collin Raye.

    Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57528733/romney-campaign-moves-staff-out-of-pennsylvania/

  24. rikyrah says:

    Those who see slavery as ‘a blessing in disguise’
    By Steve Benen
    Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:25 AM EDT.

    Arkansas state Rep. Jon Hubbard (R) thought it’d be a good idea to pull together a series of letters to the editor he’s written, and then compile them in a book called “Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative.” I think it’s fair to say he failed to think this through.

    Excerpts of Hubbard’s book have started to make the rounds, offering the public a chance to learn exactly what it is that’s “frustrated” this particular “conservative.” For example, the Republican apparently believes slavery has received a bad rap.

    “… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)

    African Americans must “understand that even while in the throes of slavery, their lives as Americans are likely much better than they ever would have enjoyed living in sub-Saharan Africa.”

    “Knowing what we know today about life on the African continent, would an existence spent in slavery have been any crueler than a life spent in sub-Saharan Africa?” (Pages 93 and 189)

    Hubbard’s book goes to say, among other things, school integration has been a mistake because black students have corrupted white students.


  25. rikyrah says:

    Just a Wiggle It, Just a Little Bit

    By John Cole October 8th, 2012

    The biggest victim of our post-truth 2012 political campaign has to be the field of statistics:

    In the two new national polls, President Obama and Romney are now tied among all registered voters. In Gallup, this is change from a five-point Obama edge in the three days leading up to the Denver debate; for Pew, it is a shift from a nine-point advantage for Obama in mid-September.

    So who moved in Romney’s direction?

    Well, not political independents, for one. There was no meaningful change in their support for Obama or Romney in either poll.

    All of the change in both polls came from the composition of each sample. In pre-debate interviews by Gallup, self-identified Democrats outnumbered Republicans by five percentage points, according to Gallup’s Jeff Jones. By contrast, in the three days following the debate, the balance shifted in a GOP direction, with 34 percent of registered voters identifying as Republicans (two points up from pre-debate), 33 percent as Democrats (four points down).

    For Pew, a nine-point Democratic advantage in mid-September is now plus one percentage point for the GOP. (The turnabout in “likely voters” was even more dramatic, shifting from Democrats up 10 to Republicans up five.)

    It’s all part of the GOP plan to erode public trust in anything, well, public.


  26. rikyrah says:

    With four weeks to go
    By Steve Benen
    Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:00 AM EDT.

    Remember last Tuesday, which was just seven days ago? Nate Silver gave President Obama an 85% chance of winning re-election and Obama was near 80% on Intrade. Mitt Romney’s staffers were quietly questioning whether the race was over and Republican candidates were openly speculating on whether Romney was ruining their own chances.

    It seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it? With five weeks to go in the static-for-months presidential race, Obama looked like a safe bet for a second term. With four weeks to go, Obama looks like an underdog.

    What the race will look like with three weeks to go is, at this point, anybody’s guess.

    But in light of the mania of speculation I’ve seen in some corners, it seems like a good time to pause, take a deep breath, and take stock.


  27. rikyrah says:

    A stark choice on defense spending
    By Steve Benen
    Tue Oct 9, 2012 8:01 AM EDT.

    In his latest “major” speech on foreign policy, Mitt Romney argued yesterday he’ll push NATO allies, many of which are already pursuing austerity measures, to significantly boost their own defense spending. How would a Romney administration do this? Apparently, the Republican has a lot of faith in his persuasive abilities.

    But here at home, Romney is even more ambitious. As President Obama twice noted in last week’s debate, the former governor is seeking “$2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn’t asked for.” That’s on top of the additional spending Romney has planned for entitlements, and the trillions in tax cuts the Republican demands.

    In Foreign Policy yesterday, Travis Sharp posted this interesting piece, which Rachel featured on the show last night

    See that green line? That’s what the nation would spend on defense if Obama is re-elected. See the yellow line? That’s Romney’s proposed Pentagon spending.

    As Rachel put it, “People say there’s no real difference between the candidates? Holy mackerel! When you’re talking about the biggest pile of money in the whole world, the largest amount of discretionary money spent on anything by our government — boy, howdy, is there a difference here. Boy, howdy, does this election matter.”


  28. rikyrah says:

    Found this comment at Washington Monthly:
    stormskies on October 08, 2012 10:31 AM:

    If in fact the ‘bounce’ for Romney did occur, if, then what does it say not only about the nature of our corporate media, but Americans themselves, that this pathological liar lied 27 times in 38 minutes and was then declared the ‘winner’ ?

    How many times have we heard in past presidential elections that for any Repiglican to be elected president that he would have to have, at minimum, 40% of the Hispanic vote ? We have heard it over and over as we all know. Yet we don’t hear it at all now because the latest polls show buffoon Romney has about 20% support with the Hispanics. So exactly why are we not hearing this now from the corporate media who has declared Romney the ‘winner’ of the last debate.

    Or the fact that he has be within ten points of Obama relative to the women’s vote ? The fact is, according to the polls, that Obama has about a 20% lead with the women.

    The corporate media is in fact one of the greatest dangers to our country because they create narratives and story lines that are simply the vehicle of the propaganda they generate that furthers the corporate agendas.

    So we end up with creeps like David “I am not a used corporate condom” Gregory talking about the delusion of Obama ‘cooking the books’ over the 7.8 percent unemployment rate and interviewing, of all people, the hemorrhoid called Newt Gingrich to see if that is possible at all. And, of course, the used condom got the answer from the hemorrhoid that he wanted. “Yes, it is possible”.

    Like I said the corporate media is a clear and present danger to what is left of our once great country.

  29. rikyrah says:

    October 08, 2012 9:58 AM

    What It Always Was

    By Ed Kilgore

    Despite the excitement of Republicans (and horse-race-frenzied pundits of every variety) over the first presidential debate, anyone looking at the race seriously knew we’d have a wait a few days before there was evidence about whether and how much the event had affected the contest, and longer than that to see if was ultimately going to matter at all.

    There was a lot of excitement among conservatives on Saturday when, as Sam Wang of Princeton Election Consortium put it, “a remarkably sharp and large downtick for President Obama” was shown via “a massive polling release from three Republican-leaning pollsters: Rasmussen, Gravis, and We Ask America.” The Gallup tracking poll was showing a sizable shift towards Romney as well, though not enough to wipe out Obama’s lead.

    With the benefit of another day’s perspective and a bit more tracking poll data, Nate Silver reached the conclusion last night that (a) there was indeed a Romney “debate bounce;” but (b) it seems to have already subsided. Nate figures (with a lot of qualifications) that Romney got about a 3-point bounce, leaving him just south of 2 points behind Obama nationally, with reversion-to-mean tendencies perhaps eroding Romney’s bounce a bit unless something new happens to give it staying power.

    Another way of putting it all is that we may be back to about where we were before the conventions, with the added phenomena of (a) renewed enthusiasm on both sides and (b) another month of economic data and experience.

    I’m about to throw up my hands and stop boring readers with too many objections to the extraordinary level of belief among conservatives this year that spinning Romney as ahead is itself a vastly important political asset. They do seem to believe it, maybe because of the impact on marginal voters of “being on the winning team,” perhaps because of the need to keep donors on board and focused on the top of the ticket, and almost certainly, in most cases, for deep psychological reasons of their own. At the elite, chattering-class level, conservatives are, after all, in the habit of thinking of themselves as “winners” in life, and of Democrats as a vast coalition of “losers.” This is why so many of them are bullies by nature, and can’t really accept defeat in any legitimately framed competition. They are The Elect, and Elections should reflect that fact, right?


  30. rikyrah says:

    How party ID explains Romney’s “surge”
    Posted by Jon Cohen on October 8, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    New numbers from Gallup and the Pew Research Center showing the presidential contest tied among all voters in recent days are sure to buoy Republican hopes that Mitt Romney did more than win a debate last week. But the newly released data also undercut a persistent criticism of election polls: that there is a “true” measure of partisan identification — and its malicious corollary, that pollsters are manipulating reality.

    In the two new national polls, President Obama and Romney are now tied among all registered voters. In Gallup, this is change from a five-point Obama edge in the three days leading up to the Denver debate; for Pew, it is a shift from a nine-point advantage for Obama in mid-September.

    So who moved in Romney’s direction?

    Well, not political independents, for one. There was no meaningful change in their support for Obama or Romney in either poll.

    All of the change in both polls came from the composition of each sample. In pre-debate interviews by Gallup, self-identified Democrats outnumbered Republicans by five percentage points, according to Gallup’s Jeff Jones. By contrast, in the three days following the debate, the balance shifted in a GOP direction, with 34 percent of registered voters identifying as Republicans (two points up from pre-debate), 33 percent as Democrats (four points down).

    For Pew, a nine-point Democratic advantage in mid-September is now plus one percentage point for the GOP. (The turnabout in “likely voters” was even more dramatic, shifting from Democrats up 10 to Republicans up five.)


  31. Ametia says:

    Antioxidant-rich foods may thwart heart attacks in women, study says
    By Linda Searing, Published: October 8
    The Washington Post


    Eating antioxidant-rich foods may thwart heart attacks in women

    THE QUESTION Found in an array of foods, antioxidants are thought to help prevent cell damage that, among other things, can have a negative effect on the heart. Might antioxidant consumption, then, alter the likelihood of having a heart attack, at least among women?

    THIS STUDY analyzed data on 32,561 women, 49 to 83 years old (average age, 61), who were generally healthy and free of cardiovascular disease at the start of the study. Total antioxidant consumption was calculated from the women’s diets, reflecting not only the antioxidant content of foods but also their synergistic effects and differing rates of absorption by the body. During a 10-year span, 1,114 of the women had a heart attack. Those who consumed the most antioxidants were 20 percent less likely to have had a heart attack than those who took in the least. Overall, most antioxidants (44 percent, on average) came from fruits and vegetables, and women with the most antioxidants in their diets ate about seven servings of fruits or vegetables daily, nearly three times more than women who had the lowest antioxidant levels. Other common sources of dietary antioxidants were whole grains (18 percent of diets, on average), coffee (14 percent) and chocolate (4 percent).

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  32. Ametia says:

    Good Morning, Everyone! :-)

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