Charleston South Carolina Emanuel AME Church Massacre | Open Thread

South Carolina Leadership’s response to EMANUEL AME CHURCH Masacre


rikyrah says:
June 18, 2015 at 9:09 pm (Edit)
where is that other Senator from South Carolina – Tim Scott? Where is his azz on the TERRORIST ATTACK?!?!? Where is he??!?!


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  1. In an hour, a church changes forever

    It almost didn’t happen

    As he wheels his dark 2000 Hyundai Elantra into the church’s parking lot, Dylann Storm Roof has no way of knowing that the building might well have been empty had members canceled the Bible study.

    His only hint is the handful of cars scattered about the large lot as the sky glows from the setting evening sun.

    At 8:16 p.m., Roof points his car into a space reserved for handicapped access and parks as close as he can to the church’s street-level meeting and office area. He wears a long-sleeved grey shirt and dark pants, even though temperatures soar into the 90s.

    A half-minute later, he reaches for a handle to an elegant wooden side door, which leads to the Bible study room. It is left unlocked to welcome members and strangers alike.

    He steps into the Bible study session and its dozen attendees, including much of the church’s clergy.

    A 21-year-old white man, he is slight of frame and wears his hair in a bowl cut. He stands out. But to some gathered, he simply looks clean-cut and seems decent, almost shy.

    Besides, in the AME Church, all people are welcomed with love, embraced by its members.

    Saying little else, Roof asks who the minister is. When told that Pinckney, 41, is the church’s head pastor, Roof sits near him at a round table.

    The group invites the guest to join their study of Mark 4: verses 16 to 20. “Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.”

    The killing begins

    About 9 p.m., the Bible study concludes. As the group prepares to share a concluding prayer, Roof suddenly stands, pulls out a .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol and says he has come to kill black people.

    He shoots the Rev. Pinckney first, at near point-blank range. Simmons tries to protect the pastor, a father of two young children, but Roof shoots him multiple times, too.

    As Roof unloads his gun into the remaining people who had welcomed him, they fall from wounds or to avoid being shot, first Coleman-Singleton, a 45-year-old church pastor and track coach at Goose Creek High School, then Thompson and on and on.

    Somehow, Felicia Sanders remains composed enough to pull her 5-year-old granddaughter down with her and whispers: play dead. The two lie on the cold floor covered in the spilled, warm blood of their friends and family.

    Sanders feels the heat of each gun blast, hears the clank of casings echoing onto the hard tile and struggles to hold utterly still, even as Roof stops to reload.

    Her son, 26-year-old Tywanza Sanders, tries to take advantage of the halt in gunfire to calm Roof and talk him out of more bloodshed.

    But Roof replies that he’s there to do a job — and he must finish it. He shoots Sanders, then the rest, including Susie Jackson, a beloved aunt who Sanders couldn’t save with his final, most desperate words. At 87, she is the oldest worshipper there.

    All of the dead and dying suffer multiple gunshot wounds.

    As Roof starts out of the building, he passes Polly Sheppard, who is on her knees praying and has somehow avoided his rampage so far.

    He asks her if she’s shot. She says no.

    “I am going to let you live so you can tell the story of what happened,” Roof says, telling her he plans to kill himself.

    With Felicia Sanders and her granddaughter still pretending to be dead, with Sheppard still alive, Roof returns to the church door, looks both ways as he opens it and climbs into his car and leaves.

    It’s about 9:15, one hour after he arrived.

    Two others also survive, unseen by Roof, locked in the Rev. Pinckney’s office: the pastor’s wife, Jennifer Pinckney, and one of their young daughters.

    Shock and the aftermath

    After police arrive, the survivors are sent to the Embassy Suites Hotel across Meeting Street, some sobbing, some far too stunned to react. Soon 200 to 300 family, friends and clergy gather.

    Sheppard scrolls through the contacts on Ethel Lance’s cellphone — picked up after the shootings — until she sees one she recognizes. It is Willi Glee. At 74, he’s long served in the church on its history and archives committee.

    “He killed everybody,” she says. “They’re all dead.”

  2. rikyrah says:

    UH HUH

    UH HUH


    Fox Panel On Charleston: America Is Too Sensitive About Racism To Stop Racism (VIDEO)


    PublishedJUNE 19, 2015, 1:52 PM EDT

    A Fox News panel on the show “Outnumbered” left no stone unturned on Friday investigating the causes of the deadly shooting in Charleston, S.C., blaming everything from moral relativism to crying racism.

    Despite the widely reported circumstances of the case, such as suspect Dylann Roof’s enthusiasm for white supremacist ideas and the site of the attack, a historically black church, the panel did not spend much time talking about the suspect’s motives.

    Special guest and Fox News contributor Pete Snyder thought he’d found an overlooked problem: too much tolerance.

    He noted that the suspect’s roommate told reporters that Roof had been planning the attack for six months.

  3. rikyrah says:

    The Dark History of Race and Terror

    PublishedJUNE 19, 2015, 1:15 PM EDT
    When the news broke Wednesday night of the horrific massacre at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, from the start people asked why this crime, which would have been labeled “terrorism” if the killer had been a Muslim, is merely a “hate crime” or the work of a deranged madman since the murderer is white. It’s a very good question and people are right to ask it. I think the word “terrorism”, as we’ve come to use it, is so clumsy that it might be better to retire the word altogether. But as long as we do use it, it definitely makes sense to apply the label to this crime. But there’s another meaning of the term, or another history, that I think helps us understand much more of the past and the present of what happened Wednesday night in Charleston.

    You’ve probably heard of The Citadel, one of the most storied military academies in the United States, which is located in Charleston. As Benjamin Parks explains in this piece from yesterday, the origins of The Citadel are directly linked to the reaction to the Denmark Vesey slave conspiracy that rocked the city in 1822. As you’ve probably also seen in the news coverage over the last two days, Vesey was one of the founders of the Emanuel AME Church. Nor is this connection between The Citadel and the attempted Vesey uprising some coincidence or oddity. It is a particular connection that illustrates a greater and sobering truth: the Southern military tradition, whatever it has evolved into in more recent history, has its roots in the institution of and particularly the preservation of slavery. Whether it is slave patrols, militias focused on putting down slave revolts or musters intended to overawe subject populations – while no institution has a single origin, this basic fact about the history of the American South is unquestionably true. It is particularly so about South Carolina.

    Here is one salient fact about South Carolina. It is the only American colony or state ever to have a black majority population. Except for a brief period just after the American Revolution, from the early 18th century until the first decades of the 20th century, a clear majority of the population of South Carolina was black. Indeed, the seminal history of early colonial South Carolina is entitled Black Majority: Negroes in Colonial South Carolina from 1670 through the Stono Rebellion.

    When we see a monster like Dylann Roof we rightly see the evil and brutality of racist violence. But to understand it, to understand its origins, it is critical to see that it evolved out of a deep rationality and logic. If you hold hundreds of thousands of people in a rapacious and brutal bondage, you are in perpetual danger.The intrinsic violence perpetrated on the slave can turn around on the slaveholder in an instant. The more brutal the slavery, the greater the danger. And this is all the more so if the slaves outnumber the free population. You cannot understand the history of South Carolina or the American South or for that matter the entire United States without appreciating this simple fact.

  4. rikyrah says:

    but, will the Blackademics say anything?


    Presidential Candidate Martin O’Malley Just Flopped Badly on Racism and the Charleston Shooting

    Tommy Christopher on June 19, 2015

    The racist terror attack on the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina has revived debates over gun control and the Confederate flag, but has also intensified the roiling issue of racism that has been building since the unrest in Ferguson, and the near-weekly incidents that have followed it. While the acceptable Republican line on racism and the Charleston shooting has been “Racism? What’s that?”, a Democratic candidate for the presidency ought to be a little bit better prepared for the question.

    On Friday’s Morning Joe, former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley was asked about the issues surrounding the shooting, and while he had a lot to say about gun control and mental health, he put up a big, fat goose-egg when asked how to tackle the issue of racism:

  5. eliihass says:

    Even as we struggle to come to terms with this terrible tragedy, the palpable goodness, greatness, decency, integrity and dignity of the S.C massacre victims and their grieving families alike, shine through and put the racists to shame – if at all any of these racists are left with a sliver of humanity and conscience, and even capable of feeling shame.

    They victims and their grieving families contradict the negative stereotypes including those that the racists trump up and cling to, and try to use as justification to perpetrate and perpetuate vicious and deadly racist acts upon black people.

    The world has come to see how the innocent victims and their surviving families embody all those truest of Christian and the most decent human values, including love, generosity and forgiveness. They have so much more grace and class than anyone could ever muster in their circumstances.

    May their loved ones rest in perfect peace, and may God comfort them in their time of mourning.

    May I also acknowledge Mayor Joe Riley. He’s one of the good guys. He’s handled this terrible tragedy in his City well. He was up all through that night and the next morning, attending to things, visibly affected by the murders, and never for a second treating the victims and their families with anything but respect and dignity, and deserving of every effort to bring the killer to justice. An older white man from the South – from a certain time, yet he thankfully, contradicted that usually spot on stereotype.

    The murders of 9 nine innocent black people at prayer in a historic church in South Carolina even in 2015, is sadly consistent with the demeaning and deadly reality of the deeply entrenched racism in our yet to be perfected union.

    The admirable character and profound legacies of the 9 true martyrs, and the decency, grace, charity and forgiving hearts of their grieving families – as well as the exemplary leadership and humanity of Mayor Joe Riley, forever stand, indisputable and resolute in moral defiance of racism and racists.

    Overcoming in the 21st century, must and will be accompanied this time around, by a resounding and determined NEVER AGAIN. A NEVER AGAIN that’ll assure that every progress made in our defeat of the racists and the racist hate agenda this time around, will not only be profound, but irreversible.

    • yahtzeebutterfly says:

      Outstanding comment, Eliihass! (((((APPLAUSE!)))))


      “Overcoming in the 21st century, must and will be accompanied this time around, by a resounding and determined NEVER AGAIN. A NEVER AGAIN that’ll assure that every progress made in our defeat of the racists and the racist hate agenda this time around, will not only be profound, but irreversible.”

  6. rikyrah says:

    We Need To Talk About White Culture
    06.19.1512:37 PM ET
    by Joshua Dubois

    But then we have to come back to this…sickness. That’s what it feels like to me: a sickness. Not just the one-off malady of an insane individual. But a pervasive, gnawing illness that affects him and others in our country in varying, curious ways.

    It’s a sickness that clouds the eyes of a police officer in McKinney, Texas – a fearful mania that causes him to see visions of children as armed criminals requiring disproportionate force.

    A sickness that choked the life out of a man screaming that he couldn’t breathe – Eric Garner – because that man’s blackness and bigness and humanity were just too threatening to treat gently.

    A sickness that allowed a police officer to see a 12-year-old child in Cleveland – Tamir Rice – and assume that the pellet gun this kid was holding was a deadly weapon, and then shoot him dead.

    This sickness is the cancer of unacknowledged bias and supremacy. It has been with us since our founding, and civil rights laws, personal achievements and trappings of success for a fortunate few African Americans have not made us well.

  7. rikyrah says:

    Rick Perry: Charleston Shooting An ‘Accident’ Due To Drug Use, Manipulated By Obama To Ban Guns
    SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Friday, 6/19/2015 1:50 pm
    In an interview today with Steve Malzberg of Newsmax, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry described the mass shooting at an African American church in Charleston earlier this week as an “accident” that was possibly caused by the over-prescription of medication.

    – See more at:

  8. rikyrah says:

    Josh Feldman
    Charleston judge who oversaw bond hearing speaks to Fox:… …

  9. rikyrah says:


    From POU:

    I know I’m being redundant but I feel this can’t be stressed enough.

    Black people can not and should not shoulder the responsibility of getting White America to stop embracing racism and White Privilege. Not the President, Not FLOTUS not one single Black person is responsible for this.

    White America needs to get it’s house in order. All the White folks of good will need to get their racist family, co workers and friends in check. It’s way past time for them to get to work.

    Any so called “concious” Black person arguing otherwise is just engaging in coonery IMO.

  10. rikyrah says:

    Guardian news ✔
    Barack Obama on Charleston shooting: ‘I refuse to act as if this is the new normal’

  11. rikyrah says:

    Charleston and the Age of Obama

    Obama is a flawed President, but his sense of historical perspective is well developed. He gives every sign of believing that his most important role in the American history of race was his election in November, 2008, and, nearly as important, his reëlection, four years later. For millions of Americans, that election was an inspiration. But, for some untold number of others, it remains a source of tremendous resentment, a kind of threat that is capable, in some, of arousing the basest prejudices.

    Obama hates to talk about this. He allows himself so little latitude. Maybe that will change when he is an ex-President focussed on his memoirs. As a very young man he wrote a book about becoming, about identity, about finding community in a black church, about finding a sense of home—in his case, on the South Side of Chicago, with a young lawyer named Michelle Robinson. It will be beyond interesting to see what he’s willing to tell us—tell us with real freedom—about being the focus of so much hope, but also the subject of so much ambient and organized racial anger: the birther movement, the death threats, the voter-suppression attempts, the articles, books, and films that portray him as everything from an unreconstructed, drug-addled campus radical to a Kenyan post-colonial socialist. This has been the Age of Obama, but we have learned over and over that this has hardly meant the end of racism in America. Not remotely. Dylann Roof, tragically, seems to be yet another.

  12. rikyrah says:

    hat tip-BJ

    James Baldwin – The Prophet

    The will of the people, in America, has always been at the mercy of an ignorance not merely phenomenal, but sacred, and sacredly cultivated: the better to be used by a carnivorous economy which democratically slaughters and victimizes whites and Blacks alike. But most white Americans do not dare admit this (though they suspect it) and this fact contains mortal danger for the Blacks and tragedy for the nation.

    Or, to put it another way, as long as white Americans take refuge in their whiteness—for so long as they are unable to walk out of this most monstrous of traps—they will allow millions of people to be slaughtered in their name, and will be manipulated into and surrender themselves to what they will think of—and justify—as a racial war. They will never, so long as their whiteness puts so sinister a distance between themselves and their own experience and the experience of others, feel themselves sufficiently human, sufficiently worthwhile, to become responsible for themselves, their leaders, their country, their children, or their fate. They will perish (as we once put it in our black church) in their sins —that is, in their delusions. And this is happening, needless to say, already, all around us.

  13. Liza says:

    Interesting. I received this email from Bernie Sanders.

    Dear Elizabeth –
    What transpired in Charleston, South Carolina, last night was not just a tragedy, it was an act of terror.

    Nine of our fellow Americans were murdered while praying in a historic church because of the color of their skin. This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust, and a deep, deep sadness.
    This hateful killing is a horrific reminder that, while we have made important progress in civil rights for all of our people, we are far from eradicating racism.

    The Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is one that has been attacked, burned, and rebuilt throughout its 200-year history. While their community mourns now, they will rebuild, and they will emerge stronger than before.

    Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation. But we can add our actions to our prayers. The families and the community that have been hurt so very badly by this brutality need our help. Let us stand with them in their time of mourning.

    You can help by making a donation to the Emanuel AME Church community today.
    Thank you,
    Bernie Sanders

  14. rikyrah says:

    Lindsey Graham defends the Dixie swastika (aka confederate battle flag) as “part of who we are”.

  15. rikyrah says:

    Jeb Bush: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Charleston Shooting Was Racially Motivated
    ByTierney Sneed
    PublishedJune 19, 2015, 10:44 AM EDT

    As more becomes clear about the motives of the man believed to be behind the Charleston church shooting, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was hesitant to connect Dylann Storm Roof’s alleged actions to any racial prejudice.

    When asked about whether he thought the attack was racially motivated, Bush told a Huffington Post reporter, “It was a horrific act and I don’t know what the background of it is, but it was an act of hatred.”

    When pressed again about whether race motivated the attacks, Bush said, “I don’t know. Looks like to me it was, but we’ll find out all the information. It’s clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is.”

    The question came after a speech Bush made at a Faith and Freedom Coalition summit in Washington.

  16. rikyrah says:

    Longtime NRA Board Member Blames Victim’s Gun Control Views For Charleston Killings

    ByAhiza Garcia
    PublishedJune 19, 2015, 12:04 PM EDT

    A longtime National Rifle Association board member wrote on Thursday that the nine victims of the Charleston, S.C. church shooting “might be alive” if a pastor who was also killed in the massacre had just supported an expansion of gun rights.

    Instead, the church’s pastor, the Rev. Clementa Pinckney, was a Democratic state senator who supported gun control legislation throughout his career.

    In a post Thursday on a message board for Texas gun enthusiasts, Charles Cotton, who served on the NRA board of directors for at least 13 years, referenced the shooting from the night before that left nine dead at Charleston’s Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, a historic black church.

    Cotton was responding to a user with the name “ShootDontTalk” who wrote: “Something else to consider: The pastor of this church, who was killed, is a State Legislator in S.C.”

    “And he voted against concealed-carry,” Cotton wrote. “Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue.”

    His post included an image encouraging people to “Join NRA.”

  17. rikyrah says:

    Uh Huh
    Uh Huh


    WSJ On Charleston: Don’t Blame ‘Institutionalized Racism’ — It ‘No Longer Exists’

    ByCatherine Thompson
    PublishedJune 19, 2015, 11:40 AM EDT 1

    The editorial board of the Wall Street Journal on Friday suggested that “institutionalized racism” was not a driving force in the massacre of nine people Wednesday night at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina because it “no longer exists.”

    “What causes young men such as Dylann Roof to erupt in homicidal rage, whatever their motivation, is a problem that defies explanation beyond the reality that evil still stalks humanity,” the editorial stated. “It is no small solace that in committing such an act today, he stands alone.”

    Politicians and pundits like former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) have also said that the suspected killer’s motive remains unknown, even though authorities at both the federal and local levels are investigating the shooting as a hate crime.

    The Wall Street Journal editorial added that Roof “brings to mind the mentally troubled young men who committed horrific mass murders” in places like Newtown, Connecticut and Aurora, Colorado.

  18. Hey Chicas!

    My little cousin who lives here in Texas has family on her dad’s side that attends Emanuel AME in Charleston SC. She was born in Charleston and her parents later moved to Texas.

  19. yahtzeebutterfly says:

    SC must take down that evil confederate flag NOW.
    It has been used over and over as a symbol of hate.
    (Selma to Montgomery march for voting rights)

  20. Ametia says:



  21. rikyrah says:

    The Charleston massacre wasn’t about ‘religious liberty’
    06/19/15 08:47 AM
    By Steve Benen

    By this point yesterday morning, it seemed pretty clear what motivated Dylann Storm Roof, the accused gunman in Wednesday’s Charleston massacre. All available evidence points to a madman driven by racism.

    For some engaged in the broader political debate, though, there was some surprising resistance to this basic detail.

    In conservative media, for example, there was some striking caution about ascribing motives. “We have no idea what’s in his mind,” Rudy Giuliani told Fox News. “Maybe he hates Christian churches. Maybe he hates black churches or he’s gonna go find another one. Who knows.”

    On the same program, Fox’s Steve Doocy, in all seriousness, highlighted “the hostility toward Christians,” adding, that the mass shooting “was in a church, so maybe that’s what it was about.”

    In the political realm, most presidential candidates took a responsible line, but Rick Santorum thought it best to connect the murders to a broader “assault on our religious liberty.” The Washington Post reported on the former senator’s appearance on a New York radio talk show:
    The former Pennsylvania senator pointed to what he described as anti-religious sentiment.

    “All you can do is pray for those and pray for our country,” Santorum said. “This is one of those situations where you just have to take a step back and say we – you know, you talk about the importance of prayer in this time and we’re now seeing assaults on our religious liberty we’ve never seen before. It’s a time for deeper reflection beyond this horrible situation.”
    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) appeared on “The View,” and also connected the shootings to religion. “It’s 2015,” the Republican presidential hopeful said, “there are people out there looking for Christians to kill them.”

    This is almost certainly not what happened.

  22. To all 3ChicsPolitico followers

    Please be vigilant as you attend Church Services this Sunday. In the words of my mother…

    These are perilous times.

    • eliihass says:

      It’ll be so sad if this becomes routine SG..

    • yahtzeebutterfly says:

      I ache, just ache so deeply, for all of you that you have to be so warned for your safety.

      *Hugs through my tears*

    • yahtzeebutterfly says:

      and, sadly, being vigilant means praying with your eyes open.

      I just realized why the evil murderer sat through the whole meeting and only started shooting when prayer had begun.

      He waited until heads were bowed and eyes closed for prayer so that nobody would see him pull out his gun.

  23. rikyrah says:

    Joey! ‏@60th_Street 14h14 hours ago

    Isn’t making a political statement and executing a state senator during bible study an assassination? Aren’t assassinations terrorist acts?

  24. rikyrah says:

    The sheer pain in this picture pierced my soul

    charleston prayer circle

  25. Ametia says:

    Memo to MEDIA:



  26. rikyrah says:

    with regards to the DOMESTIC TERRORIST:

    WHY haven’t we seen his FAMILY on tv?

    WHY aren’t we getting stories about THEM?

    WHY aren’t we seeing everything on HIS social media?

    Uh huh.

    Uh huh.

    • Ametia says:

      They’ve been interviewing his roommates, and some such! Bank it, any online postings have BEEN SCRUBBED by now.

      • eliihass says:

        Don’t worry Ametia, scrub or no, nothing disappears completely from the internet..It’ll all be found except of course those charged with finding choose to protect him instead.

    • rikyrah says:


      can you tweet this?

    • rikyrah says:

      They were digging in Tamir Rice’s father’s background to justify why Tamir deserved to die..

      and these folks raise a DOMESTIC TERRORIST, yet, we know nothing about them?

      UH HUH

      UH HUH

    • Liza says:

      Yeah, I want to hear about the father who bought the gun as a birthday present less than two months ago. And who bankrolled this monster? We know he only got as far as ninth grade and didn’t work. Where did his money come from? He was driving a car, was it his? Who paid for it? Just from the VERY LITTLE we know about the life and times of Dylann Roof, I don’t think I would have put a gun in his hands.

      And that part about “no one suspected blah blah blah.” That’s hooey. They knew.

      • eliihass says:

        These racist conversations were happening at home. It became so normal, he could interact with black people ‘normally’, but still hold tight to feelings of resentment of blacks as a group threatening to his entitled place.

      • Liza says:

        Yeah, I agree. I think that’s why everyone wants to know more about his parents. I’m also wondering about some kind of transference process going on in his head. What I mean is that he needed to blame someone other than himself for his own failures, failure to finish high school, unemployment, dependency on whoever was bankrolling him (probably his father.) He is a total loser without any prospects and he knows it. So, who does he hate the most, who can he blame for this? He uses up his time reinforcing this hatred. We don’t know exactly how or where, probably online, but we just know that he did it. Someone gives him a gun and he takes it from there.

      • eliihass says:

        Isn’t it ironic that we’re once again been asked to consider family and personal dysfunctions that formed and informed the violent murderer’s mental state and ultimately caused him to commit these crimes – and also made him victim in the process.

        Yet, no such considerations are ever afforded actual innocent black murder victims. Any personal or family shortcomings not matter how small, are wielded as solid proof and evidence that they were potential threats, and worse still, deserving of the fate that befell them – never mind their innocence.

  27. Ametia says:


    The incident started about 8:45 p.m. when children inside the black church saw a white man banging on the door, using a racial slur and saying, “You’re taking over,” according to Lydia Jones, a church member.

    So the one place were we go to congregate, to share our love for god, a palce of worship is now under attack again. The copycats have commenced. Don’t tell me these are LONE WOLF incidents.

  28. rikyrah says:

    Morning Feature – Killing Them Twice: Republicans Erase White Supremacy in Charleston Massacre

    June 19, 2015

    Morning Feature

    Morning Feature – Killing Them Twice: Republicans Erase White Supremacy in Charleston Massacre
    The murderer left no doubt that the massacre at Charleston’s “Mother Emanuel” AME Church was an act of white supremacy, but GOP presidential candidates pretended it was anything else. (More)

    Killing Them Twice: Republicans Erase Race in Charleston Massacre

    We don’t have to guess why a 21-year-old white man drove from Columbia to Charleston, entered the historic “Mother Emanuel” AME Church, and then committed mass murder. He left a terrified witness alive to ensure that his message of white supremacy was told:

    I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.

    The killer also explained his motives to his roommate, Dalton Tyler:

    “He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

    Add Facebook photos featuring the former flags of white-dominated African nations and a Confederate States of America license plate and racist comments to other friends, and his motives are clear. The FBI are treating this as a hate crime and both federal and local investigators are probing the killer’s online contacts.

    “A sick and deranged person”

    Yet in their reactions yesterday, GOP presidential candidates refused to confront the obvious:

    • Ametia says:

      This is why thee MOFOS must NEVER get anywhere near the OVAL OFFICE

    • Liza says:

      They can’t afford to lose the white racist voters, one of their most prominent constituencies.

      Has Hillary commented yet? What about Bernie?

      • Ametia says:

        Yes Hillary did and not one mention of GUN CONTROL

      • Liza says:

        Hmmmm. Kind of lightweight, IMO. At least she referred to it as a “crime of hate” and said the country must face hard truths about “race, violence, guns, and division.” I wonder if she is going to talk about the “hard truths” at some later time.

  29. rikyrah says:

    Police confront man who was threatening members at South Richmond church
    Posted: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 pm

    Police confronted a man outside a South Richmond church who was beating on a church door, yelling racial slurs and threatening the congregation during a regular Thursday night service, according to police and one witness.A police officer who was working security at United Nations Church International in the 5200 block of Midlothian Turnpike pointed a gun at the man, thinking he had a knife, according to police Capt. Chris Gleason.

    The man instead had been beating on the door with a long piece of plastic, and he ultimately was taken into custody after backup officers arrived to assist, Gleason said.

    Police consulted with the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office and determined the man had not violated the law, Gleason said. He was taken under an emergency commitment order to Tucker Pavilion at Chippenham Hospital for 72-hour observation. Police did not identify the man.

    “I never thought I’d see the day when police have to be at church,” Gleason told unnerved congregants after the ordeal had ended.

    The incident started about 8:45 p.m. when children inside the black church saw a white man banging on the door, using a racial slur and saying, “You’re taking over,” according to Lydia Jones, a church member.

  30. Ametia says:

    Dylann Roof is charged with nine counts of murder and possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime, Charleston police tweeted.

    Roof is scheduled to appear in a South Carolina court at 2 p.m. for a bond hearing tied to this week’s church shooting, a Charleston County official said.


  31. rikyrah says:

    Joe Madison @MadisonSiriusXM

    There are 19 hate groups in South Carolina. #JoeMadison #SiriusXM #UrbanView #Hate

    • Ametia says:

      HA! but, but, BUT… Senator Tim Scott says South Carolinians are coming together

      Found the video of his statement. It’s posted above. Of course he went to Fox for the statement, to reasssure them of his white allegiance.

  32. rikyrah says:

    Tell it, Mr. President.

    “If you’re dissatisfied that every few months we have a mass shooting in this country killing innocent people, then I need you to mobilize and organize a constituency that says this is not normal and we are going to change it and put pressure to elect people who insist on that change,” he said to sustained applause. “If you’re concerned about racial polarization in this country, it’s nice to have dialogues around race, but me making a good speech — and I’ve made some good speeches on the subject — that’s not going to solve the problem. What are you doing to reach out in your own community?”

  33. Ametia says:

    By Eugene Robinson Opinion writer June 18 at 5:20 PM

    Maybe it was white rage that provoked a young man to kill nine innocent worshipers as they prayed. Maybe it was mental illness or some other twisted motivation. The one thing about which there can be no debate is that he had a gun.

    The gun is what ties the unspeakable atrocity in Charleston, S.C., to the long and apparently never-ending list of mass shootings in this country. We know them by their place names — Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Virginia Tech, Columbine, Navy Yard. They rivet the nation’s attention for days or weeks — then they fade, and we do nothing. Perhaps this time will be different. I want to be hopeful, but I’m not optimistic.

  34. rikyrah says:

    STILL looking for that OTHER Senator from South Carolina…where is Senator Slave Catching Scott? Why haven’t I seen any video with him

    • eliihass says:

      Saw him sitting with Nikki Haley refusing to stand and clap when others did in support of ridding ourselves of guns.

      There’s something really sad about men like Tim Scott who’ve sold their soul, conscience and tongue for position – and only so that the racists that now own them may publicly dangle them as evidence that they aren’t.

  35. rikyrah says:

    Charleston, Dylann Roof and the racism of millennials
    By Karen Attiah June 18 at 6:21 PM

    America should be shaken to its very core by what happened in Charleston.

    The gruesome massacre of nine people at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, a historically black church in Charleston, S.C., may amount to the worst racially motivated terror attack of our generation and a deeply violent reminder that racism and white supremacy continue to course through America’s veins. One cannot help but draw comparisons to the firebombing of a black church in Birmingham, Ala., almost 52 years ago.

    The shooting suspect in Charleston has been identified as Dylann Roof, a white 21-year-old. He was arrested (peacefully, one should add) at a traffic stop. Many will argue about what words we will use to describe Roof, whether he should be described as a mentally disturbed kid (a description rarely applied when the alleged perpetrator isn’t a white male) or a rational adult responsible for his alleged actions. His age matters, but not for the reasons you may think.

    Roof, who was born in 1994, violently shatters one particularly entrenched myth that society holds about racism — that today’s millennials are more tolerant than their parents, and that racism will magically die out as previous generations pass on. We think that millennials should be lauded for aspiring to be “colorblind.” There is the belief that tolerant young people will intermarry and create a post-racial, brown society and that it will be “beautiful.”

    But the truth is that the kids are not all right when it comes to racial equality. Studies have shown that millennials are just about as racist as previous generations:

    When it comes to explicit prejudice against blacks, non-Hispanic white millennials are not much different than whites belonging to Generation X (born 1965-1980) or Baby Boomers (born 1946-1964). White millennials (using a definition of being born after 1980) express the least prejudice on 4 out of 5 measures in the survey, but only by a matter of 1 to 3 percentage points, not a meaningful difference. On work ethic, 31 percent of millennials rate blacks as lazier than whites, compared to 32 percent of Generation X whites and 35 percent of Baby Boomers.

    • rikyrah says:

      more from the article:

      A 21-year-old millennial, in 2015, is alleged to have taken a page from the 1960s and assassinated a black political leader: South Carolina State Senator and pastor Clementa Pinckney was among the dead.

      A 21-year-old millennial, by allegedly saying “You rape our women,” invoked the centuries-old defense of protecting white women as a justification for the slaughter of black people.

      A 21-year-old donned early-20th-century symbols of apartheid and racist colonial regimes in Africa on his Facebook page.

      A 21-year-old allegedly copied from the age-old playbook of racial terror, adding another bloody chapter to the long history of assaults on black people at churches in America.

      All of these examples are not signs of individual mental illness. From South Africa to the United States, symbols celebrating segregation, assassinations of black community leaders, mass violence and the desecration of sacred spaces for black people are the historical tools of black suppression. It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that this massacre occurred in a state that flies the Confederate battle flag, a symbol of white supremacy, at its state house. These symbols and tactics remain in our national conscience, passing on from generation to generation, like a sinister genetic code in America’s DNA.

      As long as society refuses to confront this legacy of the ugly sin of racism today, we cannot depend on tomorrow’s generations to come to our rescue.

  36. rikyrah says:


    juan cole in 2012. valid today.

    Top Ten differences between White Terrorists and Others.

    1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun? Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

    2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

    3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists is a guaranteed promotion.

    4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong. The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

    5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

    6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

    7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

    8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered paragons of their societies.

    9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently clean-living and perfectly sane.

    10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense, and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.

  37. rikyrah says:

    If the confederate flag won’t come down now, when?
    06/19/15 08:02 AM
    By Steve Benen
    The political fight over the Confederate battle flag in South Carolina is hardly new. Fifteen years ago, in the midst of a contentious Republican presidential primary, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called the flag a ”symbol of racism and slavery”; then he changed his mind and said it’s a ”symbol of heritage”; and then he reversed course again, saying the flag should be brought down.

    Yesterday, following the massacre in Charleston, the debate that never ended rose to the surface. The Post and Courier reported that the Confederate flag, protected by state law, continued to fly “at its full height” at the South Carolina Statehouse, even after the U.S. and South Carolina flags were lowered in honor of the slayings.

    Ta-Nehisi Coates’ indictment at The Atlantic rings true.
    Moral cowardice requires choice and action. It demands that its adherents repeatedly look away, that they favor the fanciful over the plain, myth over history, the dream over the real. Here is another choice.

    Take down the flag. Take it down now.

    Put it in a museum. Inscribe beneath it the years 1861-2015. Move forward. Abandon this charlatanism. Drive out this cult of death and chains. Save your lovely souls. Move forward. Do it now.

  38. rikyrah says:

    Only Congressman Clyburn brought the truth.

    Those two other clowns needed to sit down and shut da phuq up.

  39. Ametia says:


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