Thursday Open Thread | They are bringing Trumpcare to the floor

The piece of evil legislation known as Trumpcare is being brought to the floor today.

That comes out to $62 per person with a pre-existing condition. Those who run the numbers say that the high risk pools need at least TWO HUNDRED BILLION….NOT EIGHT

The horror continues:

According to Raw Story, the bill’s recently added MacArthur Meadows Amendment would ditch the ACA’s protections for preexisting conditions — sexual assault being one of them.

Under the amendment, states would have the all-clear to waive the ban preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to patients based on preexisting conditions. That means companies can also deny preventive health care services, like mammograms and gynecological exams, to these patients, which sexual assault survivors in particular rely on following an attack.

In 2010, before the ACA became law, the Huffington Post reported the story of Christina Turner, a 45-year-old woman who had been turned away by her insurance company because she’d been raped.

* Lauren Dobson-Hughes

1/3 of US women giving birth have c-sections. Any of their subsequent pregnancies or births would be uncovered. 1.2m women every year

If you didn’t leave your abuser immediately, any subsequent medical care likely wouldn’t be covered. Pregnancy, violence, assault

If you need surgery after a sexual assault, or therapy, or STI treatment, or pregnancy care, good luck cause it’s not covered 

* Potentially, if you had postpartum depression, you could be denied coverage for a subsequent pregnancy and birth, regardless of PPD 

If you had a c-section, any subsequent pregnancy or birth wouldn’t be covered. And uninsured vbacs or c-sections aren’t cheap

A woman who needed Plan B or prophylactic ARVs after a sexual assault would be denied them under the new bill 

Weird how all the new pre-existing conditions overwhelmingly affect women. Must be coincidence 



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77 Responses to Thursday Open Thread | They are bringing Trumpcare to the floor

  1. Liza says:


    Trayvon Martin the pilot of the movement.— Kwame Rose (@kwamerose) May 5, 2017


  2. yahtzeebutterfly says:
    Excerpt from article linked in tweet:

    Thousands of Flint, Mich., residents have been warned that they could lose their homes if they don’t pay outstanding water bills — even as the city has just begun replacing lead-tainted pipes after a contamination crisis linked to a dozen deaths.

    Warning letters were mailed to 8,002 residents in April, according to the city, a few weeks after state officials ended a program that was paying the majority of their water bills.

    But many Flint residents still don’t trust their taps — lining up for free bottled water or installing city-recommended filters after revelations in 2014 and 2015 that dangerous levels of lead had leached into the system while officials tried to cut costs.

    “I’m not going to give them one penny,” a resident who owed $822.62 told the Toronto Star in March, shortly before letters warning of tax liens were mailed out.

  3. Ametia says:


  4. Ametia says:
  5. Ametia says:

    Your MSM at work propping up the mediocre orange POS as being victorious, when he & GOP are celebrating the fact that they DON’T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about anyone but themselves.

  6. rikyrah says:

    You know what?

    I despise those ‘ I voted for Trump, but I didn’t think he would do THAT’ articles.

    But, it’s time.

    It’s time to revisit those muthaphuckas – ON CAMERA – and pound it into them that their dear Dolt45 has signed some of their death warrants.

  7. rikyrah says:

    From the Liberal Librarian:

    Our existential moment

    Liberal Librarian May 4, 2017
    It’s done. The House GOP has voted to replace Obamacare with something which is actually worse than what obtained before it took effect.

    I’ve been filled with a blinding rage most of the morning. But that has suddenly passed. Now I have a grim determination.

    I’m determined to make sure every vulnerable Republican congress member who voted for this abortion suffers at the ballot box. I’m determined that every “moderate” who voted no likewise suffers. There are no “moderates”, just less insane Republicans. On every other piece of legislation, they will vote with their party. I’m determined to make sure the Senate doesn’t pass this abomination of a bill.

    I’m determined that my country will not be defined by the morons, the reactionaries, the openly evil. I’m determined that people of good will, of empathy, of righteousness, will prevail over the sons of darkness.

    I’m determined that I will see my country through this illness, this necessary illness. The disease has had a long gestation, and was bound to erupt sooner or later. As with most illnesses, it’s best to have it happen and find the cure than let it fester and rob you of strength.

    I’m determined that these people who have no regard for our common humanity will not change who I am. I know I won’t change them. Circumstances and consequences are the only things which will change them. I hope they suffer the full brunt of their blind hatred.

    I’m determined that I will live long enough and well enough to see a reborn America, one which is better than what went before, one which will look upon this time in horror and vow “Never again”.

  8. rikyrah says:

    I am in a state of rage right now.

    • Liza says:

      Wrong, Nancy.

      Democrats have to take this stand I’m afraid.

      The GOP has defined their position which is back to 50+ million uninsured.

      The Democrats can’t say, “Well, we’ll reduce that to 25 million”. They have to say that healthcare is a right and not a privilege. They have to guarantee healthcare. At this point, anything else falls short and voters will just shrug.

      • Liza says:

        Also, Nancy is referring back to 2009. We’re talking about 2020, the soonest the Democrats can take over the government. That’s 11 years. The electorate is different.

  9. Ametia says:

    Question for media & print media: HOW IS THIS A FUCKING VICTORY FOR #45????


  10. Ametia says:
  11. Ametia says:
  12. People need to protest in the streets in massive numbers until #Trumpcare is DEAD. This beast must die.

  13. So they’re planning to dance on folks graves?

    • Liza says:

      SG2, all they will understand is losing their jobs in 2018. Other than that, they don’t live in the real world.

      This really should be the MOTHER OF ALL WAKE UP calls. If anyone ever doubted what these people are capable of, then this should leave no doubt.

    • Ametia says:

      That bitch still has to get pass the SENATE

      • Liza says:

        The Senate will come up with something just as bad. It will be a tax cut for the wealthy, just like this POS.

    • Liza says:

      F*ck them up, down, sideways and through and through.

      And f*ck the Trump voters who let the Devil himself in the Oval Office.

  14. Maybe #Trumpcare would have stayed dead from the first failed attempt if the media hadn’t been pushing the orange mop head & GOP to not give up.

  15. Liza says:

    We know we are engulfed by evil.

    But what these people are doing is surreal. Evildoers have their limitations, usually, unless they absolutely do not care about the consequences.

    I’m sick over this. It is either their lowest point that wakes up a nation or it is the beginning of some really bad sh!t.

  16. Liza says:

    This Devil Woman represents my congressional district.

    Martha McSally stood up in GOP conference meeting and said let's get this "fucking thing" done. Yes, direct quote — per members and aides.— Erica Werner (@ericawerner) May 4, 2017


    • Liza says:

      The thing to get done was the ACA repeal, of course.

    • Liza says:

      McSally just posted this on Facebook. She thinks everyone in AZ CD2 is as dumb as a box of hammers and will fall for this after she voted to repeal the ACA. Horrible woman, not only devoid of humanity but believes she can manipulate voters by pissing on their heads and telling them it’s rain. Wretched, horrible woman. I think she wants McCain’s job but now I wonder if she’s trying to get into the Trump Administration.

      Rep. Martha McSally
      21 mins ·
      The House unanimously passed my bill to prevent Members of Congress from exempting themselves from the American Health Care Act. Lawmakers must abide by the very same options for coverage as their constituents. Congress must live by the rules it creates. Anything short of that is hypocrisy.
      Final vote: 429-0.

    • Liza says:


      Back in the 1970s I lived in Houston for about three years. I was represented by Barbara Jordan.

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  18. rikyrah says:

    Millions denied care so millionaires can get a tax cut. Revolting.And if Democrats can’t prosecute that case in 2018, we deserve to lose.— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) May 4, 2017

  19. rikyrah says:

    Saw this at BJ, and I realize that I hadn’t thought of that angle:

    One thing I saw some reporter whose name I forget post on twitter is that should the House bill become law, health care will then become the leading issue in every governor’s race in 2018, too, because of the waiver provision.

  20. Ametia says:

    The Far Left Is Still Out Of Touch With Black Voters
    Marcus H. Johnson
    Freelance Writer and Political Scientist
    Apr 27·

    This week, the internet was set ablaze with hot takes relating to former President Obama’s decision to get paid to speak at a health-care conference. The conference was organized by Cantor Fitzgerald, a bond firm, which apparently makes it an enemy of state to the far left. The consensus among the far left is that Obama’s decision to get paid to speak is evidence of political corruption.

    On its face, this is just an absurd statement with no basis in fact: Obama is legally barred from running for President again, and his wife, Michelle Obama, has repeatedly indicated she has no interest in politics. How can the money be a bribe for the Obamas if they have no future in public office?

    But when you dig deeper to the root of the criticism, you start to see some ugly truths about the far left and race in America. You start to see why Sanders’ movement was overwhelmingly white and struggled mightily to get the support of the people of color they needed to have any chance at winning the primary. There is a major disconnect between Sanders and his followers and the majority of Black voters in this country, and the latest spat with Obama is just the most recent indication of that.

    Bernie Lost The Primary Because He Couldn’t Connect With People of Color

    In order to properly talk about the disconnect between people of color and the far left, we have to talk a bit about why Sanders lost in the primary. His message primarily targeted the white working class and focused on “economic” issues versus “racial” ones. He rejected identity politics and had virtually no political capital with minorities even after decades in Congress. As a result, he lost Black voters 75–25 and Latino voters 65–35. His backers will point to Sanders winning the youngest overall cohort of people of color, but his turnout rate with this demographic was so poor that it was ultimately irrelevant. The far left uses Clinton’s turnout rates in the general as evidence of her being a “poor” candidate. Why are Bernie’s horrible turnout rates among young people of color not used as evidence of him being a poor candidate that couldn’t connect with Black and Brown voters?

    • Ametia says:



      Asking marginalized people to renounce their identity is WHITE SUPREMACY.”

    • Liza says:

      Neither Hillary Clinton or Martin O’Malley or Bernie Sanders could say these words: “Police are wrongfully killing black people and other people of color and something has got to be done about it.”

      All I ever heard was body cams blah blah training blah blah blah. Bernie did say at one point that every police killing should trigger a DOJ investigation. But no one ever said that the DOJ would ramp up prosecution of cops for civil rights violations. No one (that I’m aware of) ever said what would actually be done with information obtained from DOJ investigations. Do we ever get past reports, consent decrees, etc? Do any of these offenders ever get locked up? I’m not saying body cams and training and investigations are not needed, but as long as the perpetrators walk away then they are allowed to kill and maim and assault POC with IMPUNITY. And THIS is the problem and it is so damn obvious that I can’t believe we have to keep saying it.

      Democrats have got to take this stand. Period.

    • Liza says:

      This reminds me of something else I’ve been thinking about.

      These candidates in 2016 were just too damn old. I’m not counting O’Malley or anyone in the GOP clown car because they were bit players.

      The median age in this country is around 37 years old and we’re running presidential candidates who are 69 and 70. Bernie was 74 at the time. And look at the Senate.

      I think about myself and I know that I’m disconnected, that I have entered that phase of life where you really do not know much about young people anymore. They are just too far removed from life as you know it.

      It’s time to pass the torch.

  21. rikyrah says:

    John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee 11h11 hours ago

    I ignore most non#natsec issues. But AHCA vote looks like Hill GOP deciding 2 undertake ritual political suicide b4 #KremlinGate dooms them.

    John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee 11h11 hours ago

    Just want to remind that there is nothing “conservative” about subjecting the life & death of fellow citizens to the unfettered marketplace.

    John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee 11h11 hours ago

    State-backed medical care was invented by Bismarck, that raging socialist. If US “conservatives” actually knew any history they’d know this.

  22. rikyrah says:

    David Frum‏Verified account @ davidfrum 4h4 hours ago
    David Frum Retweeted Wendy Long
    Dinesh D’Souza went to prison for the woman who wrote this tweet

    Wendy LongVerified account @ WendyLongNY
    The best hope for civilization as the West has known it is for a Trump-Le Pen era equivalent to Reagan-Thatcher x 10.

  23. rikyrah says:

    How O’Care Repeal’s Weakening Of Protections Could Affect Employer Plans
    Published MAY 4, 2017 8:49 AM

    This post has been updated.

    Beyond reshaping the individual health insurance market, the version of the Obamacare repeal plan that House Republicans intend to vote on Thursday could have major implications on employer plans and may even make consumers in the large group market vulnerable to a weakening of the current law’s consumer protections, health care experts have suggested.

    The argument is an open question, according to health law specialists, and likely hinges on how the Trump administration interprets previous Obama-era guidance for the Affordable Care Act.

    Nonetheless, as House Republicans rush to vote on their bill, the American Health Care Act, they may reap an unintended consequence that has barely been addressed and stands to amp up the political risks of the GOP repeal effort. About half of all Americans receive health insurance through their employers, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Eighty-six percent of those enrollees – or 110 million Americans – receive coverage through a large employer plan, the Brookings Institution’s estimates.

    The logic is a complicated but rests on the argument that by allowing some states to opt out of certain ACA insurer mandates, the GOP bill would put cracks in the floor of protections for everyone, including those on large employer plans.

  24. rikyrah says:

    I used the AARP line and got through. The regular lines never seemed to work right.

    FYI for anyone who needs it: the AARP line to call is: 844-259-9352. Call that and they connect you through to your Congressperson when you enter your zip code. People are reporting they are picking up AARP calls. Maybe it comes through as an AARP call and they can see that?

  25. rikyrah says:

    For all the comfortable people with Employer Based Insurance, sitting back, and thinking that Trumpcare has nothing to do with you..


    They snuck into it where YOUR coverage can be gutted TOO.

  26. rikyrah says:

    Republican health plan undermines special education, too
    05/04/17 10:15 AM
    By Steve Benen

    At first blush, it may seem counter-intuitive to think the Republicans’ regressive health care plan would affect education policy. It’s bad enough to realize GOP lawmakers are prepared to take away health care coverage for tens of millions of Americans, but if they’re going to target schools, they’ll have to do so in a different bill, right?

    Wrong. The New York Times reports:

    With all the sweeping changes the Republican bill would impose, little attention has been paid to its potential impact on education. School districts rely on Medicaid, the federal health care program for the poor, to provide costly services to millions of students with disabilities across the country.

    For nearly 30 years, Medicaid has helped school systems cover costs for special education services and equipment, from physical therapists to feeding tubes. The money is also used to provide preventive care, such as vision and hearing screenings, for other Medicaid-eligible children.

  27. rikyrah says:

    Trump believes Middle East peace process may not be ‘difficult’
    05/04/17 08:40 AM
    By Steve Benen

    Last week, Donald Trump told Reuters, “I want to see peace with Israel and the Palestinians. There is no reason there’s not peace between Israel and the Palestinians – none whatsoever.” There are, of course, all kinds of reasons standing in the way of peace between Israelis and Palestinians. It’s one of the most difficult diplomatic challenges on the planet.

    The comment, however, was apparently a reflection of the amateur president’s genuine beliefs. In fact, he reiterated the sentiment yesterday during a White House appearance with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

    Trump offered himself as a “mediator, arbiter or facilitator” to help reach a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine, but said, “Any agreement cannot be imposed by the United States or any other nations.”

    Despite the decades of failed efforts to achieve a lasting peace in the region, Trump said his administration has a “very, very good chance” to get it done


  28. rikyrah says:

    Brother of Teen Killed by Police Was Handcuffed and Held Overnight: Lawyer

    An older teen who was in the car when his 15-year-old brother was fatally shot by a Texas officer was himself then handcuffed and hauled off to a jail cell overnight — “for no apparent reason,” an attorney who represents the boys’ family said on Tuesday.

    The 16-year-old brother of high school freshman Jordan Edwards was sitting in the same car with him the night a Balch Springs police officer fired multiple rifle rounds at their vehicle.

    One of the bullets hit Jordan in the head and he later died from the injury.

    “After seeing his brother get shot, Jordan’s older brother was handcuffed and taken by police for no particular reason,” said Lee Merritt, the family’s lawyer. He was not a suspect and there were no charges against him, he said.

    Although police later said they took the brother and kept him in order to question him as a witness, none of the other teens in the car were taken, he said.

    The teen spent the night in jail and was released the next morning — and it was only then that he found out about his brother’s death, he said.

    • Liza says:

      “Although police later said they took the brother and kept him in order to question him as a witness, none of the other teens in the car were taken, he said.”

      Since when are witnesses handcuffed? They did it to scare him while they fabricated their false narrative aka cop lies.

  29. rikyrah says:

    Here’s What Republicans Are Voting For on Thursday
    MAY 4, 2017 12:54 AM

    With that in mind, let’s do a quick wrap-up of the bill:

    There have been no public hearings.
    There’s no final text.
    There’s no updated CBO score.
    It is opposed by virtually every patient advocacy group and everyone in the health care industry.
    Congress is still exempted from the new rules that allow states to waive essential benefits.
    It raises premiums dramatically for older people.
    It removes Obamacare’s protection against being turned down for a pre-existing condition.
    It would steadily gut Medicaid spending for the very poorest.
    It removes coverage from at least 24 million people, probably more.
    It slashes taxes on the rich by about a trillion dollars over ten years.

    This is a depraved piece of legislation. It’s a windfall for the rich and promises nothing but misery for the poor. How is it possible that 90 percent of House Republicans are happily voting in favor of this moral abomination?

  30. rikyrah says:

    How can House vote on a bill tomorrow when GOP’s “Pledge to America” promised all bills would be public for 3 days before a vote?

    — Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) May 3, 2017

  31. rikyrah says:

    Republicans rush Trumpcare vote to happen Thursday without CBO score

    Republicans leaders in the House of Representatives announced Wednesday night that they will vote on Thursday to replace Obamacare with a renegotiated Trumpcare bill they expect will pass.

    After months of haggling, Republicans expressed confidence they had finally crafted a bill that will get the 216 votes necessary. “Do we have the votes? Yes. Will we pass it? Yes,” said Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, the second-highest ranking Republican.

    The Trump administration is putting enormous pressure on members to support the new president in his first major legislative initiative, and it’s possible that McCarthy and Republican leaders are calling the vote and projecting confidence as a final lean on squishy members.

    If more than 22 Republicans vote against the bill and no Democrats vote for it, as expected, then the bill will fail. At least three dozen members are either opposed or have not taken a public position, according to a count by HuffPost. The margin for error is so narrow that Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah is flying back early from Utah after he abruptly left last week to have foot surgery.

    “We must not let them succeed,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said of Republicans in a speech at Emily’s List annual gala Wednesday night.

    The real-world consequences of the bill are mostly unknown since House Republicans are voting before the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has had an opportunity to analyze the legislative text. They have yet to have any hearings on the new bill and were still changing the official legislative text when they announced the vote late Wednesday.

    When Republicans attempted to pass the first version of Trumpcare in March, the CBO estimated that 24 million fewer people would have health insurance in the next decade if it became law. This amended version would allow states to obtain a waiver to opt out of health insurance regulations, including the requirement that companies do not discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies could then charge people with preexisting conditions several times more for coverage. States would also set up high-risk pools to help those patients but the proposals floated so far have not had sufficient funds to avoid passing on the enormous premium hikes.

    The new bill will also allow insurance companies to charge the elderly up to five times more for health insurance than the young and decrease insurance subsidies for the elderly. The powerful AARP has deemed the new bill an “age tax.”

    The changes were made in response to demands of the conservative House Freedom Caucus and other conservative outside groups who had largely opposed the last attempt to repeal Obamacare. They argued that more health insurance regulations had to be repealed in order to bring down premiums, regulations which Democrats argue protect consumers and ensure that all people receive adequate health coverage.

    Unlike the last attempt at repealing Obamacare that ended in criticism from both sides of the aisle, conservative outside groups and members of Congress have been throwing their support behind the bill or simply remaining neutral. The House Freedom Caucus, the most prominent opponents of the last bill, officially endorsed the new bill, along with the influential group Club for Growth. Heritage Action, which opposed the bill in March, said they would not take a position on the current bill.

    Even if the bill passes the House tomorrow, its fate is still uncertain in the Republican-led Senate. Many Republican Senators, who have mostly muted their criticism in recent weeks, initially expressed deep reservations about the first Trumpcare bill, citing its cuts to Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, and the Senate is expected to make significant changes should it pass the House.

  32. rikyrah says:

    Have employer based healthcare and think Trumpcare doesn’t apply to you?

    Think again.

  33. rikyrah says:

    Please call call call!

  34. rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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